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To: ireland who wrote (19930)8/4/1998 5:33:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST  Respond to of 39621
 
Mark

"With this in mind, Bob's work with Steve cannot be complete until Steve fully accpets the New Testament. The Old Testament should have left Steve with a feeling of emptiness that only the new testament can provide."

That is true! He used the Old Testament to show me how to be saved. Then he completed me by teaching me the New Testament!

You're right! I would have had a great feeling of emptiness if Bob stopped at the Old Testament. But Thank God he did not!

God Bless You,
Steve



To: ireland who wrote (19930)8/5/1998 6:38:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Respond to of 39621
 
Welcome to SI Mark, and please contribute more of your Scriptural wisdom as the Lord leads. I found your summary accurate, helpful and spiritual.
I have made one small addition to your excellent summary to kind of flesh it out.

"It appears that your entire discussion is nearly summarized in the book of Galatians
where the Judaizers were preaching a false gospel to the Churches of Galatia. Paul
describes, as I'm sure you both know, that there is only one true gospel: faith in
Jesus Christ and the Spirit that is freely given to you upon accepting his gift. The
book also describes how the promise to Abraham was made prior to the old
covenant or Moses' law. Therefore, the promise of the new covenant (fulfilled in
Jesus) was made before the old covenant. Then why the law (old covenant)? Paul
answers this question by saying (please excuse me because I am going from
memory w/out my Bible right now) that the law leads us to the need for a new
covenant. The old testament tells us that we need a redeemer. That redeemer is
only named in the new testament."
(That redeemer is fully revealed in the New Testament joins himself to human flesh and becomes a man who gives himself as a sacrifice for the sins of mankind and is raised from the dead for their sanctification. Those who believe in him are now rejoined to God and become partakers of the divine nature. Man and God are now one. The Resurrected Jesus with his glorified human body returns to the throne forever bringing humanity into the divine Trinity-- Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus then baptizes believers with the Holy Spirit. Thru the Holy Spirit, God is now in man, and thru Christ, man is now in God. Man in God and God in man. Glory to his holy name. This was the mystery of the ages concealed from even the angels and now completed thru christ. The new covenant is complete. That is the New Testament message that was never fully revealed in the Old. The Old only give teasers and the hope, the New the substance and the fullness.

May Christ abundantly bless you and keep you in his presence and bring you back to us soon.

In the love of Christ

Emile



To: ireland who wrote (19930)8/5/1998 7:33:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Mark,

Welcome! Excellent post. You have reinforced what I have said to Emile, very accurately, when you observed;

"Therefore, the promise of the new covenant (fulfilled in Jesus) was made before the old covenant."

I wholeheartedly agree! This was the one and only way to be saved always. That is as you said, "... faith in Jesus Christ...".

I appreciate your input and look forward to your conversation on this thread in the future!

God Bless,
Steve