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To: LastShadow who wrote (12713)	8/7/1998 10:51:00 PM
From: Jeff Jordan	Respond to of 120523

60% in a year? Bummer. One should make at least that a quarter. Position or daytrading. And one needs to, to survive in the long run!<g> LT, over-trading can hurt you...I especially hate the paper/tax work!( just finished '97 yesterday).<g> (I'm still behind '98....I can't believe how the millions add up!) I hope my CPA can review it in 5 days. Jeff

To: LastShadow who wrote (12713)	8/8/1998 10:34:00 AM
From: Tim Luke	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 120523

I'm talking on average and that includes your losers and we all have them.

To: LastShadow who wrote (12713)	8/9/1998 9:04:00 AM
From: Ron McKinnon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 120523

reality check? I have to toss in my 2% here >>>> 60% in a year? Bummer. One should make at least that a quarter. Position or daytrading. Last----, there are days in certain stocks that one might make 60% and some weeks, months, etc but at some point reality must will out if one were to start with only $10,000 in a cash (non-margin) account, at a rate of 60% a quarter; at the end of 5 years you would have $121,910,000 starting with say $100,000, you would have $1.2 billion double the above numbers for a fully leveraged margin account at a rate of "only" 60% a year compounded, a starting capital of $100,000 would grow to $11mm at the end of 10 years, a growth of 110 times the orig investment, and $1.2 billion at 20 years all I am trying to point out here is that abnormal rates of return simply can not be maintained consistently for any length of time much sooner than later the size of ones portfolio, market conditions, traders mistakes, etc, all come in to smack us back into reality it would be interesting to know what the average 10-20 year rate of return was for the best trader/investor on this planet; but I'm willing to bet that the result pales in comparison to the above IMHO the best way to make the highest returns over the LONG RUN, is to make a few very good gains from time to time, and to limit all losses to small ones no matter what the market is doing it is very easy to make profits on selected trades; but it is one of the most difficult things there is to keep from offsetting those gains with losses only a consistent trading objective that puts the focus on preservation of capital allows one to obtain solid gains over the long haul