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To: Berney who wrote (3465)8/16/1998 5:46:00 AM
From: MonsieurGonzo  Respond to of 11051
 
Berney; RE:" fake money "

>I stopped at a gas station a year or so ago and gave the clerk a magic $20 bill. She actually drew a line upon it with her magic pen. I asked what she was doing. She responded that she was checking for "fake" money. I noted that in fact it was all "fake" and based upon "In God We Trust". Alas, I received a very unrespectfull stare over her glasses...

ROFLMAO !!! That was a really good one, dude! What were you smokin' that day? ;-)

BTW, forgot to add to my last post to you, before the 15-minute edit window timed out, that according to my calculations, for the Berney BigBoyz 'accumulation levels' that I have set (mostly based upon fibonacci retracements and support lines) to all be met, the OEX will have to fall another -9%.

>The other day CNBC indicated that the entire market value of the Russian stock exchange was less than IP, a minor player on the DJIA. It's an absolute joke to think that this equity Market is going to affect the Intl world. Someone referenced a post several weeks ago that this entire "event" was being orchestrated now to ensure that it didn't happen right before our elections in late October. Could it possibly be so ?

It's the Ruble, Berney, not their diddly stock market - As DJ pointed out, the DB has a lot of exposure to it, as do some of our larger, money-center banks. Unfortunatley, when the DB; BOJ; CCI, BAC, NB, CMB and JPM take a hit, real or potential, they take the regionals, the insurers and the brokers down with them, as well as a lot of other stocks in the S&P basket.

>On the other side, as long as we value a GE at almost 3x its growth rate, the accountant in me says that we are going to have a problem. The concept of the problems associated with Indexing, the country baskets, so to speak, really needs to be addressed. Yet, the powers that be are silent. Why?

Oh, the Fed and the S&P-MID400 Fundies have been making a big to-do about value, and it has merit, of course. Fact is, the BigBoyz have stock buy-back programmes when they tank, while the smaller fish do not. That, and people are unwilling to pick stocks in an uncertain environment, so they buy index funds and/or index stocks, perceived bellwethers, in an attempt to minimize specific risk with market risk, which - so far - has been acceptable. It is when the kapital stops flowing in altogether, when even market risk has become unacceptable - that there is no exit - that "value" will be diminished to some historical ideal of what is "fair".

What if (industrial) commodities never recover ? Oh, I mean, they stop going down, somewhere, and go up a bit - but not that much. Even after Asia gets its currency re-stabilised. What then ?

This is not altogether unreasonable to consider. Russia was a real superpower - we tend to ignore that, but they're big ! We are absorbing an incredible new capacity for oil, metals, timber, etc. into the neo-capitalist New World. Nobody is going to build new primary aluminium and steel plants. The big industrials start to consolidate; some, even unimaginable: DAI + C, AN + BP, and so forth.

What if things are fundamentally changing in the world? That Europe is becoming a Union? That banking is becoming a bank? That stock markets are becoming a market ?

Hell, I don't know, dudes {grin} Sell High, Buy Low (^_^)

-Steve



To: Berney who wrote (3465)8/16/1998 7:32:00 AM
From: smolejv@gmx.net  Respond to of 11051
 
Berney, as I already said a minute ago, I go and sit now in the shade (its 13:30 CET) but you will get a nice fat answer in the evening.

DJ



To: Berney who wrote (3465)8/16/1998 12:27:00 PM
From: ViperChick Secret Agent 006.9  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 11051
 
I stopped at a gas station a year or so ago and gave the clerk a magic $20 bill. She
actually drew a line upon it with her magic pen. I asked what she was doing. She
responded that she was checking for "fake" money. I noted that in fact it was all "fake"
and based upon "In God We Trust". Alas, I received a very unrespectfull stare over her
glasses.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

ROFLMAOSHIH
that sounds like something I would do

sorry Berney
I am stealing that one as i can't always be original....

but I will think of you and your little deer next time i use it...



To: Berney who wrote (3465)8/16/1998 2:07:00 PM
From: smolejv@gmx.net  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 11051
 
Re inflation, deflation and other animals

1. Re definition of inflation: myWebster says . an abnormal increase in the volume of money resulting in a substantial and continuing rise in the general price level. If such a reference work as Merriam Webster does not know what inflation is, how should then feds know (g). In any case, seriously, the good ol' Webster did not know the horse from the carriage. It's the changes in price levels, buddy, that force changes in the money supply - assuming the government does not intend to steal and redistribute the GDP by helping itself (which is where Webster got his ideas of inflation).

2. "if Market were to collapse, the printing presses would have to work overtime" Huh? What's the connection? Like, "Yo Greenman, get me 2 Bees of twenties, they jes keep selling. And get me 5 billion of fifties as well, when your're at it, Im running out of them as well". Like, "Now see what you done, everybody wants to have CASH".
If it were so simple, then I have an even better suggestion: Let the presses run, run hot like hell, have everybody fill up their piggy banks all the way to the gills and then let's all have one big ball. Saw that in the old Breughel pictures. A paradise, papered all over with greenbacks. Wonder what you could buy with it."Microsoft"? "No way Jose, they don't exist anymore". "A Big Mac"? "Have a 100 instead".
It is much, MUCH more complicated. Or put it in a different way: it is much, MUCH simpler, but on a much MUCH different level.

3. "we have little known exposure to 'eastern Europe' or Asia". Look at your national debt - thank God you can even serve it, and serve it in a decent, predictable, honorable, exemplary .(add your own words of praise here). fashion. But OTH, you do get decent (low) rates for it. Could it be, that the US hunger for Japan's GDP for the last 20+ years was a cosy and easy short-term solution for long-term problems, which have now exploded into the face of Japan? Japan? Just Japan? Dream on. It is one ship, and even if there's first class and 2nd class etc, there's one and one only bottom to it. Whoever is the skipper - but I guess US is resigned to do the bridge duty. At least one can sit at the top of the captain's table (g).

4. "The...problems associated with Indexing, the country baskets ... really needs to be addressed". What do you think the FEDs have been doing the last 25 years? Gleefully wording the next speech of the chairman, to make US go gaga and cross-eyed for one evening every three months?

D Word? We will have to learn few things about this animal in next 15 months. The first lesson maybe this week, personally from the beloved Chairman.

DJ