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To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (20683)	8/16/1998 9:04:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

Gates: Browser conceived before Netscape was born seattletimes.com Well, of course it was Bill. NSCA Mosaic, the original code base for IE, and the original graphical browser. You just have to explain how it became a Microsoft "innovation". This is the Seattle Times article referred to in the previous message / story. Again, it's not a new line, the revisionist history thing was first floated last Nov. I think. Interesting enough article anyway. Of local interest: Gates has strongly denied his company threatened Netscape and says notes by Thomas Reardon, an early Microsoft Internet manager, taken at a June 21, 1995, meeting between executives from both companies will bear out Microsoft's claim. Reardon has turned over the notes to Microsoft attorneys for use in the company's defense against Justice Department allegations. First I've seen our old friend's name turn up on this matter. May he, Bill, and Glaser can get together in DC on a recess day, take in the Smithsonian or something. On the ever slippery "when did Microsoft get on the internet bandwagon" date, we're going back to the future again, this time to 1991, when secret 2nd in command Allard joined the company. Although the Shumway retreat marked the inception of Microsoft's browser development, Gates said the company supported Internet technologies compatible with the Web as early as 1991. J. Allard, a recruit fresh from Boston University, was assigned to develop a key Internet technology for a Microsoft product. Shortly thereafter, efforts began to develop Winsock, a technology that made it easier to develop Windows applications for the Internet. Winsock was vital to the development of Windows browsers by a variety of early vendors. "You can go back to 1991 and say we were doing really good stuff for the Internet," Gates said. "You can't criticize us on (Internet) transport (technology)." No, no. You can't criticize Microsoft on anything, for that matter. Unless you're willing to short the stock, I've been told. Anyway, Bill's only got about another 10 years to go, and he'll have Microsoft being the prime mover in developing TCP/IP. Will the trial be delayed long enough for us to work back that far? We're doing pretty good so far, Dec. 7, 1995's "day that will live in infamy", "waking a sleeping giant" has now been rolled back through 94,93,92,91, all in the space of a few months. Cheers, Dan.

To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (20683)	8/16/1998 11:00:00 PM
From: Charles Hughes	Respond to of 24154

>>>''I said, hey, we're going to get it (the browser) integrated into the operating system,'' Gates told the newspaper. The next day Gates announced publicly that the company's forthcoming Windows 95 operating system would include Internet technologies.<<< The provable part is that MSFT finally did what we had all been screaming for, providing a TCP/IP low level networking protocol alternative to the brain-dead NETBUIE network protocol in msft networking. This they were reluctant to do because their proprietary network scheme and other stuff they wanted to sell was all based around the near-proprietary NETBUIE which they and IBM controlled together at that point. IBM wasn't going to change anything on them there because NETBUIE, even MSFT's, helped sell Token Ring network hardware to people. Using the low-level TCP/IP protocol used by the FTP, archie, gopher, internet email, still-not-too-important-Web, and other internet higher layers would let us see out into the big internet world from our LANs, a bigger world that we had not paid MSFT to see. They did that much because they had to. They dreamed up MSN around that time, a thing kinda like Compuserve, as the way we would get access to the higher level bits of the internet, and an Internet compatible version of Microsoft Mail, and a few other stand-alone products. MSN to me is just evidence that they were still somewhat clueless about what the web would become at that point. Now about that browser integration. Every one of the few occasions someone has desired my presence at some muckety-muck direction pow-wow, that thing was not only audio and video taped, but a secretary was there to take minutes. this because of the self-importance of the whole thing, needing to pass the flame of knowledge to the poor unfortunates who couldn't be there and so forth. Wouldn't it shake us all up if WHG was there on tape saying something like - "OK, let's integrate the browser and make it an irremovable part of the OS and while we are at it make the proles find their files through an HTML interface!!" Or, on the other hand... Cheers, Chaz