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To: Poet who wrote (134)	8/17/1998 8:30:00 PM
From: Diver	Respond to of 1542

Ok...I know this is off topic but, Emile Vidrine --> anagram Ire, Devil Mine i.e. evil minder Sorry, not very sensitive..... %%% %% % (o)(o)l & l @---l Diver

To: Poet who wrote (134)	8/17/1998 8:30:00 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1542

"Freedom of the press belongs to he who owns one." - heard that from an oldtime Canadian Communist, a Brit who used to flog the 'Daily Worker' or whatever it was called outside a shop in a nearby town, well into the 1970s. A nice guy, WWI vet, a thinker, a product of his time. Any First Amendment rights here belong to SI, not its posters. Still, their individual decision on this question will reflect their view of interpretation of the right to freedom of speech. "If you hold a statement to be true no matter what, that statement automatically means nothing." Sort of disqualifies all religious dogma right there, doesn't it? But I agree.

To: Poet who wrote (134)	8/17/1998 8:44:00 PM
From: flickerful	Respond to of 1542

hegel.....<<To see that thought in its very nature is dialectical, and that, as understanding, it must fall into contradiction - the negative of itself - will form one of the main lessons of logic. When thought grows hopeless of ever achieving, by its own means, the solution of the contradiction which it has by its own action brought upon itself, it turns back to those solutions of the question with which the mind had learned to pacify itself in some of its other modes and forms. Unfortunately, however, the retreat of thought has led it, as Plato noticed even in his time, to a very uncalled-for hatred of reason (misology); and it then takes up against its own endeavours that hostile attitude of which an example is seen in the doctrine that 'immediate' knowledge, as it is called, is the exclusive form in which we become cognisant of truth. >>

To: Poet who wrote (134)	8/17/1998 8:50:00 PM
From: flickerful	Respond to of 1542

a bit further out.... <<But there is also an a priori aspect of thought, where by a mediation, not made by anything external but by a reflection into self, we have that immediacy which is universality, the selfcomplacency of thought which is so much at home with itself that it feels an innate indifference to descend to particulars, and in that way to the development of its own nature. It is thus also with religion, which whether it be rude or elaborate, whether it be invested with scientific precision of detail or confined to the simple faith of the heart, possesses, throughout, the same intensive nature of contentment and felicity. But if thought never gets further than the universality of the Ideas, as was perforce the case in the first philosophies (when the Eleatics never got beyond Being, or Heraclitus beyond Becoming), it is justly open to the charge of formalism.>> for what it's worth.... you have sound points as to the very nature of mediation vs a priori truths, etc....the bully on the bus, however, usually has a stop.