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To: Secret_Agent_Man who wrote (22167)	8/18/1998 11:51:00 AM
From: Dolfan	Respond to of 50264

Hey Byron, Cant't wait to see... hopefully a short squeeze! We have patiently let the MM's manipulate the price by dropping the bid even on buys over sells ratios. It will be our time to be rewarded for putting up with this activity. Regards, Mark

To: Secret_Agent_Man who wrote (22167)	8/18/1998 12:12:00 PM
From: Fuzzy	Respond to of 50264

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuzzy

To: Secret_Agent_Man who wrote (22167)	8/18/1998 12:17:00 PM
From: RocketMan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50264

I have had an interesting discussion in PMs with a very intelligent and methodical lurker. It is important to have an intellectual basis for investing and holding a company. Otherwise we buy and sell on the basis of emotion, momentum, etc. Fine if you are a pump and dumper or a day trader, but not for a long holder. Also, having an intellectual basis makes it easier to quit looking at these ticks that MMs like to play with, trying to erode our position. A "reward/risk" ratio is simple, but it might be helpful as a way of evaluating DGIV. Say risk goes from 1 to 10, with 1 being low risk (e.g., MSFT), and 10 being high (choose your own favorite high risk company). Make reward go from 1 (low) to 100 (high), say in terms of price multiples. So a 1 means the price would stay the same, 10 that it would be a 10 bagger over some time frame. Let's not have negative numbers, since you would not invest in a company that you predicted would go down. Now, say you plan to hold for, say, 2 years. What would MSFT be? Maybe 2/1 = 2? (a $200 stock) Maybe even 3/1 = 3? (a $300 stock) AOL? Maybe 3/2 = 1.5? (a $300 stock) Heck, let's be really bullish and say 6/2 = 3, a $600 stock, but with the same reward/risk ratio as MSFT. How about in our own industry? IDTC? Maybe 3/3 = 1? (a $75 stock) I don't know, choose your own figures. Now, what would DGIV be? Let's say the risk is 7 right now, without financials. At a risk of 7, we would need a reward of 10.5 to equal the 1.5 ratio of a MSFT. That means a $31 stock price in two years to equal MSFT's ratio. That is in the ballpark with IDTC's current price, and we are not even listed yet! Now, suppose the reward is as high as 20. Since we are speculating, suppose it is 50. That would only be around a $17 price following a 3 to 1 split. Remember, we are talking two years from now, not tomorrow. At 50, that is a ratio of 7.14! Higher than all of these others, although with higher risk. Do your own calculations, and come to your own conclusions. And if you can find a better reward/risk ratio than DGIV, buy it!

To: Secret_Agent_Man who wrote (22167)	8/18/1998 2:40:00 PM
From: ayahuasca	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50264

I am a bit fuzzy on all this short stuff. If MM's are trying to cover doesnt that mean that the price should go up?; ie buying back the shares they sold. If they are short and cant get the shares back to cover shouldnt they be raising the price a little to entice people to sell. They have had months to do this and they seem uninterested in moving the price much past $3. They have proven that people are not selling this stock at this level, so barring tanking it to the 1's or something I dont understand the logic here. Strange I think. Lastly, as has been noted and discussed, nothing much will come of DGIV's stock price until they file their numbers. It has been an awful long time since we were told they had begun this process. Does anyone have any idea where we are with this? Is it possible that we could still be months away from the filing? Does anyone have experience with companies trying to make the transition to Nasdaq and if so how long did it take? Thanks for any info. As is my penchant I am getting a bit anxious here. aya