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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Rambi who wrote (24435)	8/18/1998 10:29:00 PM
From: George S. Montgomery	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

p: The Speech must have affected me oddly. I have taken argument with Steve, who is perfection. And, now, I am taking argument with you, who are divine. With you: It all seems like semantics to me. The definition of a tragic hero, and the relationship of pain and awareness. On the Willie Loman front. I was 'in school' when the play was on the boards. We had seminars on the classic version of TH, and the developing sense of TH. Basically, it all had to do with what you 'call' something or other. Is the definition of TH shifting as society shifts? I never felt that Willie was tragic. At this time, I do not feel that Clinton is tragic. In my sense, tragic has to do with greatness being diminished or destroyed, (Key Word: Greatness) I did a post this afternoon, to Steve. It was a half-assed Start Line/Finish Line depiction of Clinton and his Promise. The nut of it was that he is the one who consciously stepped in the lethal glop, not as the result of a tragic flaw, but of aware stupidity or audacity. I do not believe this can be raised to a grecian standard. (Yes, there is catharsis, mimesis, and some other sorts of sises. I dimmly recall these. But they are categories, ways of stacking extracted elements into piles.) With Clinton, if it had to be put into a pile, I would feel that the Penis Power pile would be more appropriate than Tragic Flaw pile. He was confronted by a conscious decision. He took the unzip option. Not very tragic, despite how pathetic the eventual outcome might become This is more airy than the metaphysical discussions of Nothing, Anti-Nothing, and Quintessence. It has nothing to do with anything, except categorization. Secondly, the think and feel division. Bull crap. This assumes that thinkers do not feel and feelers do not think. I ran into a quote, way back, that said, in effect, that the more one knows, the more pain one experiences. (I do not believe that kitty cats go through much intellectual anguish.) Yet, there seems to be the ability to transcend this whole schmear. Which, in effect, negates the premise. All of this got started when I said Clinton was an IDIOT for not keeping his fly zipped. That, simply that. It does not merit tragic hero or buffoon. Neither of those is in any way functinal. It does mean psychopathic, you call it hubris, stinking judgement. Dangerous. Untrustworthy. Besides reactiing to "She gave your very first kiss to you..." several weeks ago, I have not experienced a psychic, psychological, mental, spiritual, emotional reaction as deeply as I did last night on seeing Willy excuse his Willy as 'personal life.' It was a Xing downer for me. This is my second inane post of this day. And so, to defend against being boycotted, my last. I genuflect, g. PS: I will admit that I am anit-semantic.