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To: treetopflier who wrote (11703)	8/19/1998 2:59:00 PM
From: Hardly B. Solipsist	Respond to of 14631

I don't think that the complaint is that these kids are doing this new stuff, just that they aren't doing it at database companies. As you point out, there ought to be some synergy there, if only the database companies would show a little flexibility. I hope that some of them do, because I don't own any Yahoo, et al, stock.

To: treetopflier who wrote (11703)	8/19/1998 3:28:00 PM
From: Charles Hughes	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14631

>>> Frightening isn't it. Getting old. Not yet. So far, it's: Stronger, faster, richer, more wise, more capable. More understanding of what is going on around me. But ask me in forty years. >>> Will their success require it -- no. Right, but their success will not involve solving the data problem I am talking about, most likely. Nor will all those old guys maintaining the relational structure solve the problem. This requires a concerted attack by people who understand all of the old and new R&D - both ideas that became products and ideas that didn't. And add to it some key new insights. The Java kids are not even thinking about doing anything like that, and don't have the background to do it if they did. They will have many wonderful successes. Just not at the fundamental data problem. Of course, many problems are not solved and then the people who could have solved them just die. But this one needs solving. By people of whatever age, who can think in this problem domain. >>>Not to long ago we were a bunch of 22 year old kids playing with C I started earlier than that. And my projects were a great deal more fundamental than DB. More like: How do you do many multiple users on the same computer. How do you do partitions. How do you input data from analog devices in real time, like heart monitors. However, nobody left me in charge of the nursery, and that is what has happened now. Not their fault. But if you want to solve this problem, that is not the right approach. You need depth and direction. Was it Santayana? "Without memory, there is no creativity." Chaz