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Biotech / Medical : Ligand (LGND) Breakout! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Mudcat who wrote (24804)8/20/1998 9:53:00 AM
From: Machaon  Respond to of 32384
 
<< "What they should have explained is we were telling you this was a buy at 18 its now 9 but we have no reason why so buy so more so we can make more commissions." >>

Boy, am I glad that you made this point clear to us! Thanks.




To: Mudcat who wrote (24804)8/20/1998 1:05:00 PM
From: Andrew H  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 32384
 
Even a complete numbskull like you ought to understand that biotechs are generally valued on future rather than present earnings. A change of a few cents in loss estimates for a couple of quarters would only be meaningful to someone as ignorant as yourself. Luckily biotech analysts know better.

You would be better off investing in government bonds. They are much easier to understand.



To: Mudcat who wrote (24804)8/20/1998 8:12:00 PM
From: Henry Niman  Respond to of 32384
 
Mudcat, This should make your day. Legg Mason lowered earnings projections for 1998 based on 1Q and 2Q results. They maintained their estimates for 3Q and 4Q but the loss for 4Q ($0.14) was DRASTICALLY greater than Bear Stearns (600% using your novel method of caluculating differences). The 600% higher loss is over 300% higher than the 167% greater loss of Bear Stearns' current estimate compared with their previous estimate. However Legg Mason maintained their BUY rating, which is their HIGHEST.

I guess you should forget about a job with Legg Mason since they seem to use a different reporting method, but maybe tony can work something out with Legg Manson (and if he can't you can always check with go_lgnd or DrowningAtLakeLigand, since they travel in the same circles with tony :-). Speaking of which, it seems that virtually ALL of you SI posts are now on LGND! You guys are really looking more and more alike every day.



To: Mudcat who wrote (24804)8/20/1998 8:16:00 PM
From: Henry Niman  Respond to of 32384
 
You guys are giving me a run for the money :-)

Recent messages posted by Mudcat

Ligand (LGND) Breakout!
Sounds like the poodle couldn't come up with any examples of buy recs with low
#24816, Aug 20 1998 1:15PM
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>Henry, my point is I have never seen a company reiterate a buy rating at the
#24804, Aug 20 1998 7:22AM
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Henry, my point is I have never seen a company reiterate a buy rating at the s
#24771, Aug 19 1998 8:16AM
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<First I do find it odd that someone would try to represent a $0.05 revision
#24766, Aug 19 1998 7:54AM
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<Potential ONTAK approval - December>
#24765, Aug 19 1998 7:19AM
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Hey Barry, do you not find it strange that a company putting out a buy rating
#24750, Aug 18 1998 8:16PM
Ascend Communications (ASND)
<I'm going to be nice tonight and give everyone 3 stocks that together will g
#52283, Aug 18 1998 8:09PM
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<Bear Stearns just reiterated its BUY (highest rating) on LGND today>
#24717, Aug 18 1998 1:49PM
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<andy, you can just leave and go over to 'raging bull' -- they have an ignore
#24629, Aug 17 1998 12:53PM
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<caveats. 1. overall market conditions 2. AGN stock overhang 3. dilution&g
#24628, Aug 17 1998 12:47PM
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<Also 'interesting' is that it was the 'yeasayers' that were thrown out:>
#24627, Aug 17 1998 12:41PM
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Robinson should consider returning part of his huge salary to help the company
#24538, Aug 14 1998 8:42PM
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Are these posts some sort of a tribute to TonyT? We can come up with names fo
#24495, Aug 14 1998 9:27AM
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<I think that there is some misunderstanding of LGND's options>
#24491, Aug 14 1998 8:29AM
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<would you mind explaining why you think that the payment would've been a bet
#24465, Aug 13 1998 3:19PM
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<How about the average cost of getting a drug approved by the FDA? Industry w
#24448, Aug 13 1998 1:25PM
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<Instead of shelling out $75 million for Seragen, Ligand could've taken a su
#24447, Aug 13 1998 1:13PM
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<"we" as shareholders just bought around $220 million in drug development an
#24442, Aug 13 1998 11:04AM
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I don't own any shares of SRGN but I read the press release where SRGN shareho
#24439, Aug 13 1998 9:28AM
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Hey Tonyt do you really live on the Jersey shore? I do also but Iwasn't
#24309, Aug 9 1998 7:40PM
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< IYO, are the warrants are the shares the best value here??>
#24307, Aug 9 1998 7:20PM
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< but the buyer had to pay 10 1/4 (instead of 10) because AGN was through sel
#24213, Aug 8 1998 9:35PM
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<Andrew, what gives me a kick about fugazi, is..... He really thinks that thi
#24074, Aug 6 1998 1:00PM
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<Bob, I long ago decided that both tonyt and fugazi were worth no more of my
#24073, Aug 6 1998 12:56PM
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Maybe we should all take up a collection to buy Barry some Campral. He probab
#24072, Aug 6 1998 12:50PM
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<you might also point out to "mudcat" that Cheryl Galt is a real person with
#24014, Aug 5 1998 5:47PM
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<Robert, I think you need some sleep, or a spell checker. >
#24011, Aug 5 1998 5:36PM
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Thanks for the informative posts Cheryl. I've been trying to get your same po
#23976, Aug 5 1998 8:03AM
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I think Lgnd will be around $15 by year end. I think we hit the bottom and I
#23927, Aug 4 1998 8:11PM
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Now that we hit $10 and got rid of Bluejeans, lets start our way back up to $1
#23889, Aug 4 1998 2:35PM
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Hey Bluejeans, I'm not the one who came up with the idea to leave if Lgnd hit
#23880, Aug 4 1998 10:01AM
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Are you still here. I figured after all the posts you made about 20 before 10
#23875, Aug 4 1998 7:14AM
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Well maybe both will leave now.
#23833, Aug 3 1998 3:17PM
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Bid 10 1/2 Ask 10 9/16
#23829, Aug 3 1998 3:02PM
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We have hit the 10s. Lgnd 10 15/16.
#23822, Aug 3 1998 1:56PM
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Why did you leave that site and come to Lgnd? Even they didn't want to liste
#23817, Aug 3 1998 1:11PM
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Sounds like it should save you and Henry alot of time when your cybersleuthing
#23814, Aug 3 1998 12:14PM
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I can't understand why they would want to sell a stock priced at around 11, th
#23810, Aug 3 1998 9:44AM
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<take a look at vicl and isip the last couple days.>
#23765, Jul 31 1998 8:20PM
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<Henry the last two trades were labeled irregular and Form T. Does anyone kn
#23731, Jul 31 1998 7:37AM
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<hey, if you're not man or woman) enough to put your name on your comments, w
#23704, Jul 30 1998 7:49AM
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< I haven't seen one post with any content worthy of anybody responding to th
#23703, Jul 30 1998 7:40AM
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Glad you finally see the light on this stock TexasDude.
#23685, Jul 29 1998 1:38PM
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Hey Bob, maybe you need to put another ice pack on your head. Try reading you
#23681, Jul 29 1998 12:32PM
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<<< ... you can explain why after Lgnd hit $17 that it lost about 40% o
#23673, Jul 29 1998 10:55AM
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<Until this year, I was constantly in and out of biotechs. I was trading almo
#23670, Jul 29 1998 10:34AM
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<Then, why did they hit $17 last year?>
#23666, Jul 29 1998 7:11AM
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< Actually, a better question is how many were bought. >
#23574, Jul 27 1998 2:04PM
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<Andrew, have you ever noticed that low IQ people tend to hang together? >
#23572, Jul 27 1998 2:02PM
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<Andy, imo, i actually think a handful of negative posters have hurt the stoc
#23524, Jul 25 1998 9:15PM
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< Ligand's $500 million cap might seem fairly priced, or, perhaps, a little e
#23479, Jul 24 1998 12:49PM
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<when LGND and AGN went their separate ways I had said that the LGND negotiat
#23468, Jul 24 1998 7:39AM
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Hey Fugazi, Robert Barry must be mortgaging his house to buy more Lgnd. Every
#23457, Jul 23 1998 2:23PM
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I figured we would see the poodle back before 1 Aug. Thats when you win your
#23439, Jul 22 1998 3:25PM
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Robert, the web site I copied the numbers from included Allergan as an insider
#23402, Jul 21 1998 1:13PM
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I am not sure of the % options but here are the top 10 insider holdings:
#23399, Jul 21 1998 9:47AM
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It would be better, but Robinson gets his $500K salary plus stock options whet
#23388, Jul 20 1998 2:54PM
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< How can he benefit financially by constant expansion without the focus on t
#23371, Jul 20 1998 7:07AM
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< I'm not looking for old press releases which have been linked to this threa
#23305, Jul 17 1998 1:54PM
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<It's in their interest to sell at higher, not lower prices>
#23304, Jul 17 1998 1:49PM
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I found the press release here are the exact words: "Allergan realized a pre-
#23300, Jul 17 1998 1:08PM
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<Did AGN do an SEC filing indicating that they owned over 5% of LGND or repor
#23299, Jul 17 1998 1:02PM
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< Sometimes an overhang at these low prices actually stimulates demand >
#23296, Jul 17 1998 12:17PM
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Peter, the talk in the posts has been only about AGN selling. Lets remember F
#23293, Jul 17 1998 9:50AM
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<A piddling out of 15,000 shares a day need not doom us to a subterranean exi
#23290, Jul 17 1998 7:04AM
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<AGN's announcement that they will continue to sell over the next several qua
#23273, Jul 16 1998 8:28AM
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<Robinson's comments on SBH "gobbling up" LGND's targets >
#23253, Jul 15 1998 7:30PM
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<However, those who post false info (like their position in LGND) and then ca
#23203, Jul 14 1998 8:01PM
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<They have drawn experienced management from the pharmas, so although this is
#23200, Jul 14 1998 3:14PM
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<misleading info was posted by some of our naysayers, and some investors prob
#23160, Jul 14 1998 7:09AM
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<Henry, you have been pretty much on the mark in seeing the business side of
#23135, Jul 13 1998 2:56PM
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<I'm not surprised that the application was given priority review. >
#23134, Jul 13 1998 2:50PM
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<SBH will develop the lead products, but LGND will file the patents and expan
#23048, Jul 10 1998 12:43PM
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< In other words, Henry, SBH gets a possible "billion dollar drug" and Ligand
#23036, Jul 10 1998 9:45AM
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<you will see that the current status of the SBH/LGND collaboration indicates
#23025, Jul 10 1998 7:17AM
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<One such compound, LY353381*HCL is a superior estrogen antagonist >
#22954, Jul 8 1998 7:15PM
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<Mudcat, you are part of the street, what is your take on off label use for P
#22933, Jul 8 1998 11:12AM
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<I do expect new coverage for LGND, which could produce a significant price r
#22930, Jul 8 1998 10:57AM
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< Most of the more successful Biotechs (and big pharmas) have only one or two
#22929, Jul 8 1998 10:54AM
BISN - Why the activity
<Biosonics Seeks FDA Approval for Alternative to Viagra>
#238, Jun 30 1998 7:48PM



To: Mudcat who wrote (24804)8/20/1998 8:18:00 PM
From: Henry Niman  Respond to of 32384
 
Here are the key points for the Legg Mason rec:
Ligand Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (OTC -LGND)
PRICE* 52-WEEK EPS - (FY Dec) P/E RATIO DIV SHRS MKT CAP LT DEBT INV./RISK TARGET
8/17/98 PRICE RANGE 1997A 1998E 1999E 1998E 1999E YIELD OUT(M) $M TO CAP RATINGS PRICE
$8 9/16 $18-$8 ($1.06) ($1.14) $0.08 NM NM Nil 38.8 $332.2 89% B/4 $20
was........ ...($1.04)
Legg Mason Wood Walker, Inc. makes a market in this security.
Ligand Reports 2Q98 Results.
Key Points
ú Ligand reported a loss of $0.45 per share for 2Q98 compared with our estimate, and consensus estimate, of a loss of $0.35
per share.
ú We are maintaining our 3Q98 and 4Q98 estimates of losses of $0.20 and $0.14 per share, respectively, but are lowering our
FY98 estimate to a loss of $1.14 per share to reflect the lower value in 2Q98.
ú Collaborative R&D revenues of $4.4 million were lower than expected and we now believe that milestone payments to the
company will be more back-end loaded than originally expected.
ú R&D expenditures of $17.3 million were higher than expected as a result of expenses related to the completion of Phase III
trials, and the preparation and submission of the New Drug Application (NDA) for Panretin gel.
ú Ligand accomplished a number of strategic goals in 2Q98 including the filing of an NDA for Panretin gel, the expansion of
the SmithKline Beecham collaboration, and the announcement of favorable research and clinical trial results.
ú We are maintaining our Buy rating on Ligand, with a 12-18 month target price of $20 per share.




To: Mudcat who wrote (24804)8/20/1998 8:36:00 PM
From: Henry Niman  Respond to of 32384
 
Here's the Legg Mason details and summary:
Details
ú Ligand reported a loss of $0.45 per share for 2Q98. The result is $0.10 lower than our estimate, and consensus estimate, of a
loss of $0.35 per share and compares with a loss of $0.32 per share for the comparable period last year. Collaborative R&D
revenues of $4.4 million were lower than expected and we now believe that milestone payments to the company will be more back-end
loaded than originally expected. Going forward, we are maintaining our revenue estimates for 3Q98 and 4Q98. R&D
expenditures of $17.3 million were higher than expected as a result of expenses related to the completion of Phase III trials, and the
preparation and submission of the New Drug Application (NDA) for Panretin gel. These expenses are one-time and will not carry
forward.
ú We are maintaining our 3Q98 and 4Q98 estimates of losses of $0.20 and $0.14 per share, respectively, but are lowering our
FY98 estimate to a loss of $1.14 per share to reflect the lower value in 2Q98.
ú Ligand accomplished a number of strategic goals in 2Q98. In late May, Ligand filed an NDA for Panretin gel for the the
treatment of AIDS-related Kaposi's Sarcoma. Subsequently (early July), the FDA granted Panretin gel priority review status
indicating that an initial decision on the drug should most likely be made during 4Q98 or 1Q99. In April, the company began an
additional collaboration with SKB to discover small-molecule drugs, focusing on the signaling pathways controlled by leptin, to
treat obesity. The company also made a number of announcements regarding clinical and preclinical results for pipeline drugs.
LGD1550: Initial data from Phase I/II studies were presented at the American Society of Clinical Oncology meeting. The two
studies presented were open label dose escalation studies. In the first study (23 patients covering various cancers), LGD1550 was
found to be well tolerated with only a few minor adverse effects, including dry skin and fatigue, reported at the doses studied. In the
second trial (33 patients covering various cancers), investigators observed dose limiting toxicities at higher doses.
Panretin Capsules: Final data from a Phase II study for AIDS-related Kaposi's Sarcoma were presented at the American Society of
Clinical Oncology meeting. Use of the drug resulted in an overall response rate of 37% (23 of 62 patients). Analysis of the data
suggested that the clinical benefit was the result of Panretin, and not the multi-drug anti-HIV regimens that the patients were also
on. Similar data from a different Phase II study were presented at the International AIDS conference in Geneva.