Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Technology Stocks : Corel Corp. -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Steve HK who wrote (5488)	8/20/1998 3:38:00 PM
From: Offshore	Respond to of 9798

HA Ha. Good one Steve HK. Did anyone else care to look at what else he has submitted on this forum??? Nothing. That was his first post. Really nice Steve...I mean Mike. I loved it. You are a genious.....sorry...I don't have time to proof....HA HA HA

To: Steve HK who wrote (5488)	8/20/1998 3:49:00 PM
From: micromike	Respond to of 9798

That was a nice post. Sounds like me about 1.5 years ago. Rod is probably one of the most informed person posting on this thread. He is very informed about Corel and how con Cowpland operates. Don't blame Sun for Corels failure on the Java front you blame Corels CEO for that one. Oh who is that guy...cowpie. By the way Lotus has E-suite. You are right Cowpland is a visionary, he saw that Corel was going down the tubes so he hyped up the company while he dumped 1/3 of his shares in 97. I take that back he's not a visionary but a hype artist and a rich one at that. WP is a superior product to MS but the problem you have is that MS monopoly has driven WP into the ground. If the DOJ would have broken MS up last year before they used their monopoly to rub out WP they would have had a fair chance to compete. In a MS monopoly world the better product doesn't win but the company with the monopoly does. I have learned this lesson the hard way. Corel was very successful with Coredraw since MS needed it for its windows launch and wasn't a threat to them. Now with MS coming on line with its own product things could get a bit dicey for Corel. The only way Corel has a chance to be really successful again is if MS gets broken up by the DOJ or else Java isn't fragmented by MS. That's the way I see it. JMHO Mike

To: Steve HK who wrote (5488)	8/20/1998 3:51:00 PM
From: R.S. Blum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9798

Steve HK??? Um, right. Nice pseudonym Cowpie! Yep, you really fooled us all <wink--wink>

To: Steve HK who wrote (5488)	8/20/1998 8:15:00 PM
From: Mr. Bean	Respond to of 9798

Steve wrote: "...traditional Canadian demeanor get very upset to see the ultra-success of a fellow Canadian and rather relish a fellow-countryman's failure." (typical yankee comment) "...with a beautiful woman in an expensive car ... In the states we call it the American dream and it kinda makes your heart swell to see it." (Up here we call that mid life crisis) An American knows with hard work and dedication it can happen to anyone. (A Canadian knows an American like you is an officious self centered prick) You can be bitter all you want and claim that Mike Cowpland is living off ill-gotten goods from his stock sell. (not bitter.. just a tad wiser than you) "Beleive me, I am sure that stock sell is a drop in much diversified bucket." (I guess a good reason to justify stealing from the average person and fill that diversified bucket) and (No we do not believe you) As you can see from the progress of the investigation, no wrong-doing has been found. (Is the investigation over?) Steve, your arrogance is typical of your traditional american upbringing. I will attempt not to judge you as an idiot... ok I fail... You are an IDiot! Bean

To: Steve HK who wrote (5488)	8/20/1998 11:02:00 PM
From: Kashish King	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9798

First of all if you think all the money that went into R&D for Office for Java went down the toilet, your nuts. No, it went out the door with layoffs and resignations. Had they done a proper OO analysis and design they would have discovered early on that there were severe problems in their approach before they painted themselves into a corner. If you're suggesting some of Corel's software engineers are now familiar with OO in general and Java in particular, that's good provided they haven't already walked. The problem with Office for Java was not entirely COrel's fault. Sun hyped the ability of Java and backed it with cooperative development dollars. When Sun was unable to come up with the next version of JDK fast enough, that is when it became apparent that Java, in its native form, was not a platform that an entire application suite could be developed on. Well, we know about the situation with Corel and Sun because Corel publicly blamed Sun, bad idea. Meanwhile, Applix and Lotus forged ahead and delivered using correct design techniques and a few less earn-while-you-learn DOS flunkies with no other options but to work for a washed-up legacy software publisher. Corel never developed an office productivity suite because they had no idea on how to proceed having never done so in the past. Maintaining a monolithic pile of 80's spaghetti code doesn't count. Corel did not stop here. Corel used its vast knowledge of Java to build Jbridge (which if you know anything is the first iteration of many java based technologies to come). As you can see by the ripples tthe Sybase deal is making there is much merit in the Jbridge technology. Stop where? At total failure? Vast knowledge? You mean vast training session for some erstwhile DOS maintenance programers. As for using JBridge, Microsoft is pushing Citrix because they control it. The are bent on keeping it expensive and slow because they want clients to have a full implementation of Windows, period. You can count on them making it the fastest and cheapest Windows terminal software there is if they need to. They don't need to, they don't want to. You can tread all you want on Mike Cowpland but he is the visionary that has always and continues to drive Corel's talented engineers into the next generation of technology. Talented Java trainees more like it. What sort of talent does it take to realize about a year into a development product that you're going about it all wrong? Don't make me laugh dude. Cowpland is a visionary? That's got to be the most laughable statement Corel bulls make and they make it often. I don't see vision, I see a company drowning in its own failure while making a priority out of fixing blame. On WordPerfect Suite 8 ... consistently wins. You guys don't understand this. If you look at the work product most people apply these applications to you will find that WP offers the end-user virtually nothing of any practical value over Word or Word over WP. It's all a giant ruse. What compelling feature does WP have that Office does not? I have heard that WP is unreliable, that's more important to me than some feature I'll never use. On graphics. If you took the time to research exactly what Microsoft's entry into the Graphics market is going to be you would find that it will be a consumer oriented sub 100.00 dollar price range product. Not to mention Microsoft will have its own file format, let see how quickly the graphics industry accepts that. Wait for it. It's not out yet and don't underestimate what Microsoft is going to do with this series of products. They may not target the professional graphics designer who has already mastered some cryptic interface because they have this strange attraction toward revenue generating products, go figure. On Corel. Right now I wouldn't put money I could not risk in Corel. Not because of poor managment, or a decaying infrastructure, but because of the market. Well, you're just a wrong as you possible could be. Corel has bungled every opportunity as a result of bad management. They bungled the Java office suite, they bungled the closing of the Utah facilities, they bungled Netwinder. They're bunglers, plain and simple. Don't even try to argue that one with me, Cowpland is an incompetent manager and a non-entity in terms of an executive. That brings me to you Rod. I may be wrong, but I guess you live in Ottawa or you are at least familiar with the goings-on. Try San Diego California, bro. You probably get really steamed when you see a wealthy man driving down the Queensway with a beautiful woman in an expensive car. In the states we call it the American dream and it kinda makes your heart swell to see it. Actually it's called being insecure about one's self. In fact, most people, wealthy or otherwise, snicker when they see an old fart driving down the road in an show-mobile with a trophy wife in tow. Frankly, his wife is off-topic as far as I'm concerned but let's just say that I prefer woman who aren't obscessed with their own display. It's an affliction, it's not an attribute. It may be your dream, but it sure as hell isn't the American dream; how sad for you. Anyway, I shouldn't bother responding to the personal knives but you set yourself up for that one. The point is, you don't understand the market, why Corel has failed or why Microsoft has succeeded. You have your head planted firmly where the sun doesn't shine as evidenced by your refusal to accept that Cowpland is by and large to blame for Corel's predicament. If you look at the technology he wildly stabs at you will discover that he is a late follower of established industry trends which he clearly doesn't understand. Clearly, Cowpland has no clue about modern software development and he's managed to collect a team of equally incompetent buffoonettes to tell him what a visionary he is.

To: Steve HK who wrote (5488)	8/25/1998 6:03:00 PM
From: BrownBag	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9798

In general, the most of the Java R&D money did go down the toilet. There is probably not 5 developers out of over 50 that worked on Corel Office for Java that are still with the company. None of the previous code is used for anything. None of the Java developers for COJ ever worked on JBridge. Most of the JBridge efforts were to do a 32 bit windows version. It was just better press to say Java a lot. Very little effort was done on a Java client. Sorry. I hope JBridge ends up good for something, but it is not going to be big enough to save Corel.