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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Mo Chips who wrote (2285)	8/20/1998 1:56:00 PM
From: pz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

Just heard that Clinton is going back to Washington for some national security matter....hmmmmmmmmmm.

To: Mo Chips who wrote (2285)	8/20/1998 2:13:00 PM
From: j_b	Respond to of 13994

<<You can have it both ways, you've blamed Clinton for a lot, >> All I've blamed Clinton for is what he has done personally (Monica, lying, etc.). I think what you are referring to was my reaction to someone giving him credit for things I didn't feel he was entitled to. A person who claims to have worked for the White House was giving credit to Clinton for various things that I thought were more the domain of Congress. I don't blame Clinton for the IRA bombings, I just refuse to give him credit for bringing peace to the region. I don't blame Clinton for the various wars in Europe, but he also gets no credit for bringing peace to that area. I don't blame Clinton for crime or welfare in America, but I don't give him credit for solving the problems either. In every case, I've given Congress both the blame and the credit for the economy and said that the various Presidents the credit for any foreign policy wins. I just don't see any wins for Clinton. <<I blame it on the ideology. The republican ideology led to the deficit and to many of the foreign policy messes we are now in>> This is where we must part ways, amicably I hope. Only Congress can affect the deficit, and the Democrats brought us higher ones, while the Republicans brought us lower ones. On the foreign policy messes, LBJ (Gulf of Tonkin) brought us Vietnam, Reagan/Iran, but helped in the Mid-East and helped bring down the Berlin wall and the demise of the Soviet Union (with Congress' active help), Bush/Iraq and various other small fires, Clinton/Bosnia, Haiti on others. Who was in for Afghanistan? At any rate, both parties have screwed up foreign policy. There is no Republican or Democrat ideology for foreign policy that I have seen. Reagan favored using clients to pursue our aims, Clinton prefers direct intervention, as did others before him. Is one better? I don't know.

To: Mo Chips who wrote (2285)	8/21/1998 11:02:00 AM
From: RJC2006	Respond to of 13994

<<<I blame it on the ideology. The republican ideology led to the deficit and to many of the foreign policy messes we are now in.>>> Sorry, it was a Democrat Congress that led to the deficit. This idea that the President, whoever it may be, creating a deficit is about the most intellectually barren argument ever perpetrated. Congress holds the purse strings and always has. The President has no power in the appropriation of federal money. You should know this. As for republican ideology leading to the foreign policy messes we are in now I would ask you to name one. If you are referring to our current dilemnas concerning terrorists that can be directly traced to James Earl Carter, a Democrat, who brokered the Egyptian-Israeli Peace Accord. It was perhaps the only thing any Democrat president ever did that I agree with. Of course if you disagree with that possibility the only reason I can see for it is that you don't care much for the Jewish state. If you are going to continue with this silly "I'm a Democrat and hate anything Republican" rhetoric at LEAST provide some semblance of reality. But it's too be expected, the word Democrat and reality is a true oxymoron in most cases.