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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: LesX who wrote (366)	8/21/1998 8:36:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Respond to of 67261

Sorry Les what I was trying to say to chicken was that I considered this to be a moderate THREAD - vs. the wacko Clinton Corruption thread. I wasnt saying you were necessarily a moderate. MH

To: LesX who wrote (366)	8/21/1998 8:39:00 PM
From: Diver	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 67261

LesX: I apologize for being rude but, whatever you post I have this urge to put my fingers in my ears and just go, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU" over and over again. Maybe I'm shallow, but I prefer deep diving, whatever. You remind me of those sociology majors who used to pay $5 a pack for bad French cigarettes. Go watch a Roger Vadim movie or something. I've told you before. Don't talk to me. GOD, I'm so rude to LesX...... Diver

To: LesX who wrote (366)	8/21/1998 9:53:00 PM
From: Don Pueblo	Respond to of 67261

<<We are not in the position to judge.>> Actually, I am. I pay taxes and vote and all that. And I think perjury and adultery are wrong, even for the President of the United States. I actually feel pretty strongly about it. That's my judgement. I hope it is balanced. Thank you, and good night. BAWK!

To: LesX who wrote (366)	8/21/1998 11:58:00 PM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Respond to of 67261

re In the end, what he does in his private life is between him and God. We are not in the position to judge. That is the mantra that Clinton supporters cling to, but it does not accurately describe the present situation: 1) "His private life": Fallacy. A U.S. President is the epitomy of a public government official. U.S. Presidents wield awesome power, live and operate 24/7 under the best protection that taxpayer money can buy, live at public expense in the closest thing that the United States has to a palace, and is in fact the closest thing that America has to a King. Americans want to look up to their President as someone they can point out to their children and say "there is a great man". A President's life is far from private, and Clinton knew that long ago. His whining speech about "even President's have private lives" was just that: Whining. If he doesn't like the attention a President draws, he is free to leave office any time. 2) "In the end, what he does is between him and God". True enough, but this isn't the end, is it? At least not yet. Meanwhile, Americans are concerned about the idea of turning the Oval Office into a smarmy lcloset of illicit sex. Yes, since the President had given a vow to remain faithful to his wife, the sexual gratification Clinton received from Monica fits the definition of "illicit", no matter what one's personal morals are. The Office of the Presidency, and more importantly the White House, deserve better from those who occupy them. 3) "We are not in the position to judge": We are not in the position to judge him in regards to his relationship with God, but we certainly do sit in judgement of our elected officials in this life. Since I am a citizen in this representative republic, I sit in judgement, and I'm not pleased with the way Bill Clinton is representing my country. 4) Finally, lying under oath to a Federal Court about any matter, whether public or private, is not only unbefitting a President, but it's a felony punishable in normal civilian life with years in prison. And then there's the admission that Clinton made that he deliberately "misled" both the Jones court, the public, and his closest personal advisors. That sounds to me like "obstruction of Justice".

To: LesX who wrote (366)	8/22/1998 1:18:00 PM
From: j_b	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

<< Clinton's at fault and his enemies as well>> When you call Starr and his cohorts Clinton's enemies, you show a certain bias. Starr is a prosecutor. He is investigating a case and attempting to prosecute. That's his job - given to him by the DOJ. Did you think Marcia Clark was OJ's enemy? Starr may or may not be overzealous in his pursuit of Clinton, but pursuing the man is his job. I'm not sure we're in a position to judge his motivation yet. Remember, this is the same Starr that went after a Republican Congressman for sexual misconduct, and got him to resign, soI don't think it's fair to say he's biased (yet).