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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: John Prugh who wrote (2678)	8/22/1998 8:35:00 PM
From: dd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

The people who are going to settle this is congress. Make sure you write your senators and rep. and tell them how you feel. Just hope that they will listen. That really is about all you can do short of getting Bill a date with Leona Bobbitt.

To: John Prugh who wrote (2678)	8/22/1998 9:37:00 PM
From: Hippieslayer	Respond to of 13994

It's very simple. Pollsters can massage what ever they want in a poll. Look, the president governs by polls. His speech on Monday was written with polls and focus groups. Hold on tight, cuz even with a high approval rating, once the sordid details of his financial crimes, witness tampering, obstruction of justice, perjury, sex, etc comes out, no poll is going to save him.

To: John Prugh who wrote (2678)	8/22/1998 11:27:00 PM
From: Wildstar	Respond to of 13994

John, ok, I cant take it anymore. Where do the American people stand on this issue. The press is telling me that 60% of the public think we should just drop the whole issue. It is a "private" matter. ON the other hand, 90% of the people I talk to at work, or read on this thread, or overhear at the health club, think that the President has committed a crime. I agree completely. I can't believe what the polls on TV are saying. The most ridiculous of these is the one about the effectiveness of the speech Mon night: Message 5562665

To: John Prugh who wrote (2678)	8/22/1998 11:30:00 PM
From: Jim S	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

..opinions such as these are NOT what I hear in the news or read in the paper. What is going on? Is the press still in love with the President, or am I simply listening to a small minority of the public. I asked the same question a couple of months ago, John. I think the answer is that there is no need to be able to read and write, much less THINK, in order to either vote or respond to a poll. The people you and I talk to and work with on a daily basis are, I imagine, able to read headlines and may even listen to the evening news once in a while. Those that we think are a majority apparently don't count for much in the polls we hear so much about. Puzzles me too. jim

To: John Prugh who wrote (2678)	8/23/1998 2:45:00 AM
From: RJC2006	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

<<<What is going on? Is the press still in love with the President, or am I simply listening to a small minority of the public. What is going on here?>>> John, you've already answered your own question. You see, the dominant media has long been apologists for the administration because quite simply he supports many of their pet issues i.e. abortion, gay rights, attacks on big tabacco, and a whole list of others. You have to remember these are people who for the most part would pick Arafat over Netanyahu (sp?) to be Prime Minister over Israel and likewise would pick Vladimir Lenin (if he were alive today) over any conservative. Now their friend is in deep trouble and the only thing left for them to do to maintain any respectability is to push their support of the President on the American people. The only way possible to do this is through polling. As I have said polling can be skewed in many ways. A poll of a thousand people means just that, a poll of a thousand responses. But you can poll two thousand and pick one thousand of the responses, claim a poll of a thousand people and you haven't lied one bit. Polls are nothing more than a way of creating propaganda. After all can they really be claimed as news? And if they aren't news then what else can they be but propaganda?

To: John Prugh who wrote (2678)	1/21/1999 3:32:00 PM
From: The Irb	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 13994

John Prugh writes: The press is telling me that 60% of the public think we should just drop the whole issue. It is a "private" matter. ON the other hand, 90% of the people I talk to at work, or read on this thread, or overhear at the health club, think that the President has committed a crime. The problem isn't the media or their "interpretation" of polling results, or even the subset of Americans that the polls are sampling, John. One's own circle of friends/acquaintances always makes for a nonrepresentative, and thus fundamentally flawed, statistical sample. According to your SI profile, you're an engineer (so am I). Around 90% of the people we talk to at work are conservative, so of course they think Clinton should be convicted and removed from office. That's because the whole witch hunt really is being perpetrated by a vast conservative conspiracy. Just how vast? Vast enough that 90% of the subset of Americans who are both educated and conservative agree that Congress should reverse the results of the 1996 presidential election, i.e. the will of the American voters, and remove the president from office by force. BTW, my view is that even if Clinton lied under oath in the Paula Jones trial, that's not an impeachable offense, which the Constitution defines as a high crime or misdemeanor. Of course, I'm an engineer, not a lawyer. History will look back on 1998-1999's Congresses as the worst in American history. Why? Because besides spending inordinate amounts of time impeaching and trying the president (who will eventually be exonerated), their votes are bought and paid for by campaign contributions from rich individuals and businesses. If you want to look for a Constitutional crisis, there it is. The Irb Austin, Texas