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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Doughboy who wrote (3006)	8/25/1998 3:55:00 AM
From: RJC2006	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 13994

<<<There is no question today that President Clinton balanced the federal budget. He was the one who with perilous consequences to himself and his party (namely giving over to the Gingrich controlled Congress) raised taxes and stimulated the economy to close the deficit. If you look at a graph, it is striking that the US went immediately from a growing deficit to a shrinking deficit after the Clinton stimulus package which closed the deficit in 6 years. Then we all got the fat tax cut we all deserved last year.>>> This is so intellectually inept it's almost beyond comprehension. A big fat tax cut?? Where the hell did you get that idea? Show of hands of all those who have received a tax cut since Mr. Clinton took office and what you did with the money? <<<And the GOP can take absolutely no credit for the Clinton stimulus package; they fought it tooth and nail and they burned the Democrats who supported it in the '92 elections. So, yes, I give Clinton a huge amount of credit for our incredible prosperity these days.>>> No, King Clinton did it all himself. <rolling eyes> Give me a break. The only thing that Mr. Clinton did was literally screw (or should I say bugger to make you feel better) the middle class with one of the biggest tax hikes in history. This after he cried and said he knew he'd promised one but sniff sniff he just couldn't do it. Noooo, not with the government grab he was waiting to pull off. Had he gotten his way you could have kissed your coveted balanced budget good-bye with passage of his health care bill. Luckily, Republicans and even a good many fair minded Democrats saw that scam for what it was. <<<On the foreign front, the President has aided in historic agreements to bring peace in Ireland and would have done the same in Israel if not for the assasination of Rabin and the rise of that militaristic whacko Benyamin Netanyahu.>>> Yeah, just ask the people of Belfast how the peace is going. And the only thing Mr. Clinton really wanted was for Israel to turn over half their country to a terrorist organization. And your labeling of Bebe Netanyahu as a militaristic whacko is beneath contempt showing not only your ignorance but your political leaning as well which is left of Lenin. Mr. Netanyahu happens to be somewhat passionate about the defense of Israel since the same PLO that your man Mr. Clinton seems to love so much killed his brother at Entebbe. By the way, the same militaristic whacko happened to have signed the Hebron Accord and continues to deny terrorist Yasar Arafat from dictating the policies of the Israeli state. Burns ya up doesn't it. <<<Certainly more than Bush accomplished and at least equal to Reagan (once all of Ronnie's disastrous policies are balanced with his good ones). Doughboy>>> Yeah, watching that Berlin Wall come down must have brought a tear of sadness to your eye.

To: Doughboy who wrote (3006)	8/25/1998 9:45:00 AM
From: j_b	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

<<There is no question today that President Clinton balanced the federal budget>> Boy, I can't even read through the rest of the messages to see if someone else already answered you - this one always gets me too riled up!!! Clinton did not balance the budget - it is not within his Constitutional authority to do so. The balanced budget was a Republican priority (from the Contract with America), and has been something they were working on since 1992. They finally got the American people to put enough pressure on the Democrats in Congress and on the President to get the bill passed. Clinton was dragged to the signing kicking and screaming. As to raising taxes - Clinton doesn't have that power either. There is no Clinton stimulus package, as a matter of fact, there is no Clinton ANYTHING bill - he doesn't have the power. If you think those were good things, give credit to the Republican Congress that passed the bills. <<the US went immediately from a growing deficit to a shrinking deficit after the Clinton stimulus package >> This is actually proof that Clinton had nothing to do with the economy recovering. NO stimulus package has an immediate effect. Most economists I have read or seen say it takes between 2 and 4 years for the effects of any change other than interest rates to affect the economic trends. If you want to give credit for the turnaround, give credit to Alan Greenspan for keeping inflation under control, and the Republican Congress for balancing the budget (even though the balanced budget is a fiction created by acting as if the Social Security Trust Fund will not have to be repaid).

To: Doughboy who wrote (3006)	8/25/1998 11:55:00 AM
From: Les H	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

You need to go back to late 1992 when the GDP grew by 6-7% and tell me what Clinton had to do with that. The economy was recovering in the second half of 1992 but too late for 1992. The reason most people were worried about the economy was due to the unemployment. What they don't realize is that unemployment lags the economy by up to 12 months. You need to tell me what Clinton had to do with $ 60-70 billion dollars of spending that was eliminated by 1993 since the S&L Bailout had ended. A good part of the budget balancing had nothing to do with Clinton --- it was the economy and the end of the S&L bailout, stupid. If Clinton had gotten his health care bill, we'd still be floundering.