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To: Don Pueblo who wrote (263)8/25/1998 10:52:00 PM
From: Jamey  Respond to of 1542
 
Hear!, Hear!

Santiago



To: Don Pueblo who wrote (263)8/26/1998 12:37:00 AM
From: X Y Zebra  Respond to of 1542
 
Your perverted and faulty conclusions are based on complex lies. You cannot help but lie. Pronouncing vitriolic judgement against anyone that does not completely agree with your lunacy is the only thing you do with any sort of conviction. You consistently take false or manufactured information and form incorrect conclusions based on your petty need to feel superior to anyone that is not like you.

It is precisely because of the above that it is important to keep a watchful eye in monsters like this.

These fanatics, left to their own lies and fantasies, are the ones capable of the atrocities that most history books relate to us when they refer to any kind of event related to religion, any religion.

For this individual to express the way he does, as painful as it may be and as putrid his mind is, it is necessary to be aware of the danger at all times.

In addition, it is a perfect example of how blind faith based on scripture and dogma, rots the brain. The human mind is capable of reasoning, but no one can force it, reason has to come within.

Reading and collecting this person's posts provides a great lesson to others to see clearly what religious fanaticism can do to an individual and his/her brain

Why should anyone be so much against a dissenting opinion, or simply have different points of view, yet in his view, if you do not agree with him you are guilty by definition, period.

The feeling of guilt, self sacrifice and blind faith that religious organizations demand of their followers is completely without reason at all.

When you ask for a shred of evidence that would give a gram of credence to their beliefs, all they can come up with is a parrot-like chant repetition of their old scripture, and that's it.

Would you believe any of the bishops of the absurd in the penny stocks... surely not !.... why would this be any different, in fact a more severe scrutiny should be imposed in these matters, since we are dealing with one's own existence IN THIS EARTH, NOT IN AN IMAGINARY MYSTICAL AND AIRY EXISTENCE IN A PLACE NO ONE HAS COME BACK FROM, NOR THERE IS A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE IT EXISTS !!!

If they want to pray, build highly expensive places of worship, believe in a god, or in a sacred cow, or the god of rain or whatever the hell they want to believe, so be it !!

Let them believe in whatever they want... Why do they have to come and tell the world that everyone must believe in their ways !!

I could not care less if they believe in whatever, simply do not come and pontificate, give me guilt about it, or chant old and unintelligible prose to me, or those around me....

The freedom of expression does give them the right to express such views.

But likewise, there are individual rights that deserve the exact same protection no more, no less, part of those individual rights is the right to PRIVACY.

If I want to express that as part of my privacy is the fact that you respect my own space, do not invade it with your beliefs, and attempt to indoctrinate in such fashion.

Besides, no one has the right to become a nuisance to their neighbor.

If such individuals infringe in the right of privacy, (certainly it is easy to accept that religious beliefs are issues that only the individual should decide, therefore it is a private matter), such privacy MUST be respected.

If such privacy is infringed upon, then I have every right to defend myself against such infraction.

Yes this person has the right to express his ideas, however he has NO right to infringe on anyone's right to privacy, nor has he the right to disturb the peace, in this instance, there are specific threads where he can go and do his thing, and if he is not welcomed at a specific thread or threads, then I view such as an invasion of privacy, and an infraction of the terms of use, therefore, grounds for suspension or termination.

It is as simple as that.

I repeat, if this person wants to express whatever opinions, views, beliefs, etc. then he can go to the specific thread(s), and do so until he is blue in the face.

However, someone who creates a thread, can establish specific topics of discussions, or rules of conduct that will be applied to that specific thread, it is like someone's home.

Now, I doubt anyone who does not share someone's specific views, to come to his home and allow anyone to parrot his or her specific beliefs. That would be infringing on privacy and indeed it could be consider trespassing.

Not to be confused with the right to express opinions about a specific PUBLIC company, where said PUBLIC company is being discussed.

Indeed the coffeehouse is like the "residential" area of a cybercity exists.

So in short, no do not stop this person from continuing expressing his opinion, in fact we should keep an eye on what he says, he has proven to be inflammatory and in my opinion, will lead to danger and eventual violence.

However I say, that if he does not behave in a civil manner, respecting the opinions of others, their privacy and the threads where he may not be welcomed, he should not trespass, and he should be sanctioned if he insists.

Z.



To: Don Pueblo who wrote (263)8/29/1998 7:29:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1542
 
"Your perverted and faulty conclusions are based on complex lies. You cannot help but
lie. Pronouncing vitriolic judgement against anyone that does not completely agree with
your lunacy is the only thing you do with any sort of conviction. You consistently take
false or manufactured information and form incorrect conclusions based on your petty
need to feel superior to anyone that is not like you. "

"Complex lies", "false or manufactured information", and "incorrect conclusions"?????

You do not present a very compelling argument! Lacking rational thought and a love of free speech, it becomes readily apparent why you must rely on coerciion and bully tactics. False and manufactured information can easily be disproven and made ineffective by truthful information. Bold and compelling truths, on the other hand, have the internal strength and dynamics to generate salvation and liberty of thought. If the truths I speak about Jesus and the Word of God, talmudic Judaism, the control of the news media and Communism were manufactured and false, as you claim, you would only need to point out their error to cause their collpase. Truth has a way to either enrage or liberate; in your case, it only thickens the veil of darkness.
It is precisely because of the truths contained in my statement that you and others lose all sense of emotional balance and rational thought, and, in the absenence of contravening knowledge, are forced to use invectives and ad hominems.
Dishonest and darkened minds love your rantings, but honest men and wowen who read my words will verify the truths for themselves. Don't you realize that every individual who honestly investigates and searches out my words will learn that they are based on fact and truth? That is precisely the great fear that motivates you--others may learn the truth also. Somehow, you have the adolescent notion that loud invectives and screams will sway and convince those who read my words.
You are sadly mistaken. The only men who form an opinion before honestly investigating a matter are those who begin with a hatred truth. Those who hate truth will hitch their wagon to every fad that reaches their ears. Those who love truth will quietly study and investigate the matter for themselves and will form their own opinions.
Liberating truth and honest knowledge never seek out the lynch mob or the confused masses, but the humble hearts of those who seek beauty and love truth.
Your ravings only authenticate my words.