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Politics : Mr. President please step down for the good of the country -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: tsq who wrote (184)	8/28/1998 9:34:00 AM
From: j_b	Respond to of 190

<<Would you tell the world the details of your sex life if asked? Would you especially tell a self-righteous, judgemental group if there was a way to minimize anything you had done? >> Actually, if someone could convince me it was relevant, yes. It would probably be a best seller for people having trouble sleeping at night, since, unlike the President, I don't cheat, don't smoke cigars, don't engage in sex in public places, etc. I don't feel a need to minimize anything I've done, because, again unlike the President, I haven't done anything wrong. Do I think MY sex life is anyone else's business? No, but, again unlike the President, I'm not a public figure, and my sex life actually has remained private - it's not the subject of a court case where such testimony might have a bearing. <<What does this publicity of the President's sex life have to do with his past and present ability to govern this country? >> It's not about sex. How many times must this be repeated? Because of his indiscretions, the President allowed a completely unqualified person to obtain a high security clearance, allowing her access to secret documents that were then passed along to unauthorized people. If the cigar story is true, Clinton allowed his sex life to interfere with his running of government by keeping a head of state (Arafat is the head of the Palestinian state, such as it is) waiting while he dallied. Affairs and risky sex leave him open to extortion, blackmail and other threats, not to mention the possibility of the next bimbo being an agent of a foreign government (as happened with JFK). If he treats her the way he treated Monica, he would be making state secrets available to a foreign nation. Just as important - Clinton has shown us that he cannot be trusted, either to keep his word or to tell the truth. What foreign leader would believe any promises that Clinton made? Why should we believe that any legislation he proposes is actually in our best interests? Without that trust, Clinton has no ability to be a statesman, and has limited ability to be an effective politician. He either must regain that trust or step down in favor of someone who has that trust. You are dwelling on the past. It doesn't matter if the investigation was right or wrong - it happened. Deal with the consequences instead of living in the past and looking for someone to blame. It doesn't matter who's right or wrong, the question is - can Clinton still be effective as President? If so, how, and if not, what should he do?

To: tsq who wrote (184)	8/28/1998 9:48:00 AM
From: Les H	Respond to of 190

I would agree with you if he hadn't decided to do it repeatedly in the Oval Office. He should resign. get treatment for his condition, and be forgiven. And we all move on. Unfortunately, he's been a laughingstock abroad for most of his term. He's been long on rhetoric and frequently backs down as in Iraq. And now, the Sudan bombing may have been a grave error in judgment.

To: tsq who wrote (184)	8/28/1998 2:41:00 PM
From: James Williams	Respond to of 190

To me, the most interesting thing about this whole business is how it reflects the current accepted ethical standards. How do people work? What standards do they make decisions based on? for example: Would you tell the world the details of your sex life if asked? Would you especially tell a self-righteous, judgemental group if there was a way to minimize anything you had done? From tsq's last post As a preface, tsq, I'm not judging you, simply making an observation of your rhetorical question. It expresses a portion of your value system, that you value perceived innocence over your own integrity. And by integrity, I mean that to yourself. As well, you assume that this is the natural response to that given situation. Another interesting thing is that most people form their opinion, and put the facts (and rhetoric) that support that opinion, and discard the rest. Myself included. In the next post, I'll tell you my thinking on this, and let you all tear me up, if you care to.

To: tsq who wrote (184)	8/29/1998 9:10:00 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 190

"What does this publicity of the President's sex life have to do with his past and present ability to govern the country?" First of all its not about "sex" but about lying, lying under oath (perjury), covering it up (obstruction of justice)and trying to destroy those who speak the truth (abuse of office). But speaking directly to the "sex" issue, what the "inappropriate" relationship and all his lies show is a stunning lack of judgment, willingness to take unecessary risks for his own pleasure, lack of morality and disrespect for other human beings, including most importantly his wife and daughter. We SHOULD expect more in a President. JLA