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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (36445)	8/28/1998 1:47:00 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572391

Ten, Check out the performance of 3DNOW! at high resolution, 1024 x 768. You'll see the power of the K6-2 and 3DNOW! I believe you'll find it on Toms page. AMD and Cyrix had to support MMX...but in the end...MMX is a dud. At least the Pentium MMX was a little faster because Intel added cache. Developers who were conned into writing programs for MMX may think twice about doing the same for MMX2. Sure, there will be a place for it in a few programs but like MMX it may just be "no big deal". Jim

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (36445)	8/28/1998 11:46:00 PM
From: Maxwell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572391

Tenchusatsu: <<As for MMX being a dead bead, it's funny how AMD and Cyrix both chose to support MMX in their latest processors, eh? Whether or not you think MMX does any good is irrelevant. In fact, it shows just how well Intel can market such a technology which isn't as useful as it originally seemed.>> Yes Intel is getting all the credit for developing the MMX. As a matter of fact MMX is a trademark of Intel. MMX is a "stupid invention" from Intel. As long as MMX is around people will remember of Intel stupid invention. I bet you Intel must be very proud of this stupid achievement. It sure built a good relationship with the ISV. << Imagine how well Intel can market MMX2 whose usefulness far outshines MMX.>> Have you ever been cheated TWICE by the same person? Well if you do then you are not very smart. That is why there is a word said "Once bitten twice shy". Yes Intel will trumpet their MMX2 by next year and consumers will remember the MMX fiasco. Also for your information the KNI API will be support by MS DirectX 7.0 to be released JULY 1999! Katmai will be useless till summer of 1999. <<Like I said before, AMD doesn't enjoy the economies of scale that Intel.>> You need to get a job in the semiconductor industry. The economy of scale of a fab is 1 FAB! It costs twice as much to run 2 FABs, and thrice for 3 FABs. The only thing you really save is the R&D. Yield and die size is everything in each fab. <<Why is 3D-Now such a big deal, while MMX2 is going to be "no big deal"? Is it because 3D-Now was first to market? Are you arguing that developers aren't going to support KNI merely because 3D-Now just happened to come first? (Maybe that's what Maxwell was arguing.)>>> Yes you are absolutely right. Time to the market is everything. AMD was able to get support from all vendors such as MS, SGI, TDFX, Matrox, SIS, IBM, game makers, etc. a year before the chip was rolled out. That is no trivial task but it was easy for AMD at that time since there was no other technology viable. MMX2 is very late to the market and it won't come cheap when it is released. By then already 12M+ users demanding 3DNow! KNI will just be another failed attempt by Intel just like Intel tried to penetrate the market with the first Celeron. KNI is not compatible with 3DNow since it uses a different opcodes. Had Intel been smart they would have made KNI backward compatible with 3DNow! Intel is just too proud and to save face they got to have it their way. The KNI will lose. If you want to know the development of 3DNow check out this webpage. ren.tierranet.com Unlike the MMX the 3DNow initiative is quite active. Current ISVs are still not quite up to speed writing 3DNow codes. That is why Unreal and Incoming perform so poorly. QuakeII/QuakeIII and Trespasser will be the first games that optimally coded for 3DNow! By Christmas there will be plenty of games for 3DNow. Maxwell