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To: Paul Senior who wrote (4855)8/29/1998 12:08:00 AM
From: James Clarke  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 78594
 
Mike, Y2K is a very real liability. If you know its there, you might as well subtract that cost (the whole cost, including loss of customer goodwill if things blow up) from the valuation. When major airline A told me Y2K is going to cost $250 million, and a week later major airline B told me it will cost $30 million, I sold B immediately. But it is so hard to calculate. The best way I have found is to call competitors and ask what they're doing. Consider the most conservative estimate (i.e. the highest) the most realistic, and also assume that that number is too low. And don't assume its discounted in prices. It is not in my opinion. I read Wall Street analysts all the time and live in the world of insitutional investors, and believe me, everybody is talking about it but nobody knows what to do with it, so they just ignore it (kind of like stock option dilution - another future liability which is not difficult to quantify - and don't assume a bear market will solve that one, many companies are already feeling out investors about repricing their options. Directors who do that should be shot in my opinion.)

Cendant may be very interesting. It is just so hard to sort the wheat from the chaff in this one. Which numbers can you believe and which can't you believe. And are there investments with similar upside out there now without the uncertainty?

TOY may be a buy just because everybody hates it. And it is unquestionably the industry leader. If that is your standard, you also want to look at IBP, NUE, ACK, TRN and HPH. But looking at a firm which has squandered its franchise for 10 years makes me wonder if there is a franchise to begin with. Maybe you make your toy play on MAT if it drops another 20% in a panic.

I am in no hurry to get back into the market. I see no sign of a bottom, so I am spending my time patiently putting together a wish list of great companies which I have always wanted to own, but were nowhere near my price. If the market drops 25% further and some of them get there, I want to be ready to buy them immediately. It is a hard transformation for somebody who has resigned his analysis to $10 million market cap loser shoe companies at net-net valuations with the hope of a 30% gain. This is when I shift into Buffett mode. Some financial companies are starting to get interesting.

Jim



To: Paul Senior who wrote (4855)8/29/1998 4:51:00 PM
From: Tom Pulley  Respond to of 78594
 
Paul, off topic, for some reason I couldn't get a message to send over the Jean thread so I thought I would answer here:

Sorry to take so long to get back to you. I took a look myself at Toys-R-Us and Petco, and both look like like good buying opportunities to me. My "retail expert" can't comment on Petco as although we have a dog, we keep her outside and don't do much pampering. So she is not familiar with their stores.

As far as Toys-R-Us, she has been down on them for the last 4 or 5 years and has talked me out of buying the stock myself when it was at around 25 or 30 (a couple years ago?). She says that their stores need upgrading and that Walmart & Target continue to expand their toy aisles. She says Walmart now has all the hot toys as soon as Toys-R-Us or before, they have a excellent selection of the major items like legos and Barbie, and they expand their toy section during the pre-Christmas season by taking over seasonal space like the "back to school" aisles.

So on a long term basis, she doesn't like Toys-R-Us due to the competion and old stores. However, as I said, the value looks very good right now and retailers margins are slim and manipulateable (don't know if thats a word) such that slight improvements can result in super good growth.

Hope you are doing OK through this market downturn. The market has really gotten interesting. I keep a plot of the Russel 2000 and S&P 500, and the Russel 2000 appears to me to be at the best buying level since the fall of 1990. For the first time in years, I have bought some shares on margin (although only 5%). If the market continues down into October, we may have the best buying opportunity since 1987 (although I can't say I recognized it at the time).

Have a good day.

Tom



To: Paul Senior who wrote (4855)8/31/1998 12:26:00 PM
From: Axel Gunderson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 78594
 
re distributors. Don't mean to be on your case, just that I can't
figure out where you are coming from.


Ah - you skimmed but did not read. :-) I explicitly said that all companies looked cheap on the basis of free cash earnings. I did not look at any of the companies P/B or history.

Axel