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To: greenspirit who wrote (24638)	8/29/1998 5:36:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Michael, first of all I did a web search for the Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine. It appears to be a few very conservative scientists who have sort of a large shed-like structure in a rural area of Oregon. Contrary to real scientific research, where it is the result which is important, not the political slant of the researchers, these people make numerous reference on their web page to fighting socialism and strengthening the free enterprise system. So they seem to be some sort of conservative think tank. And they are supported totally by donations, so I would be interested to see who their supporters are. This is definitely not real science, or real medicine. They are simply supporting a particular political view. Also, you did not give the source for your story. Is it because it is from some right-wing organization? I would need to see the actual list of the 15,000 scientists who signed a list that global warming is not real. I find that extremely difficult to believe, since more and more scientists every day are agreeing that global warming is real. I wonder what role the Petroleum Institute of America plays in this scenario. You would probably NOT be interested in knowing that in the current issue of the respected journal, Nature, there is a study which debunks what the anti-global warming people like you are holding onto for dear life--that global warming couldn't really be true because satellite measurements show that the atmosphere is actually cooling. But I do think you should be aware of this, anyway. Aren't you a military man? Aren't you supposed to respect scientists from NASA? This is from the Washington Post, August 12th: "it is one of the most perplexing scientific question of the global warming debate: if the planet is getting hotter, as many experts contend, why do satellites show the Earth's atmosphere getting cooler? The answer may have less to do with weather than with hardware and the quirkiness of satellite orbit. Two Sonoma County scientists reported yesterday the discovery of a technical flaw that, when corrected, appears to reverse the "cooling effect" and undermine one of the major arguments of global warming skeptics. The study, published in today's edition of the journal Nature, concludes that temperatures above Earth actually are warming slightly, a finding that meshes with a century of land-based measurements that have shown a modest rise in global temperatures. Although the report does not settle many of the key issues in the climate debate--including what role humans might be playing in global warming--it makes it harder for skeptics to credibly claim that the phenomenon isn't real, said James E. Hanse, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies. 'Until now, the (satellite) data have been the principal refuge for those who deny the reality of global warming,' Hansen wrote in a commentary on the study by Frank J. Wentz and Matthias Schabel, both of Remote Sensing Systems in Santa Rosa . . According to Wentz and Schabel, NASA's orbiting thermometers lose altitude by more than a mile as they circle the globe, a drop that can interfere with their ability to accurately measure temperatures near the Earth's surface."