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To: Dwight E. Karlsen who wrote (51425)9/3/1998 4:44:00 AM
From: MonsieurGonzo  Respond to of 58727
 
Dwight; RE:" Starr-ism "

>>>I think people are... a little afraid of the Starr report...

>>I'm even more afraid of Starr-ism.
>>Down deep, I think most Americans are, too.

>MG...sorry but I think you are flashing signs of denial, and supporting my belief that Americans are a little afraid of what the Starr report may contain. First, you talk of "Starr-ism", evidently a take-off on "McCarthyism"? Like witch hunts and sex-police delving into everyone's private sex lifes?

Truly sorry to disappoint you, Dwight. It has been difficult for me to take American politics in general - and the acting American Presidency, along with the dysfunctional American Congress - seriously, since the VietNam War cum Watergate era. So you see, I have expected little from these leaders for most of my adult life. I admit that I am a complete cynic in this regard, Dwight; and relegate American politics to the realm of entertainment, and nothing more.

Speaking personally, and (trying my best) without prejudice, Dwight - I find the twin pillars of Freedom of Information and Personal Privacy to be the two most noble endeavours of the American people in my lifetime. Neither of these ideals exist outside of the boundaries of the United States. This fact surprises most American ex-patriots, (like myself) when they first encounter it, and makes these issues all the more present, and precious to them.

To me... Starr-ism, the broadcast media, and the narrowcast internet are all dramas in which these two tenets, so crucial to the information economy that we are becoming, are explored by the American people. The objects of these explorations - and compelling, shared media experiences - whether they be Clinton or Diana or OJ or the GulfWar or the Iranian Hostage Crisis, ultimately pale in significance, and are trivial to the process of discovering ourselves as some as yet unknown info-culture.

I find the entire process fascinating, and these two issues, ultimately modern, though historians would argue that they are inherently American, from the time of John Locke and Thomas Jefferson.

I feel, Dwight, that the passion of your words is an important aspect, truly felt, of the becoming of modern America.

But yes, Dwight, speaking personally, and perhaps even sadly so - I really don't give a damn what happens to Bill Clinton; and yes, I am truly grateful for the bliss of my relative anonymity.

-Steve



To: Dwight E. Karlsen who wrote (51425)9/3/1998 11:48:00 AM
From: Trey McAtee  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 58727
 
dwight--

i dont think anyone other than yellow dog demos really like the vilification of starr or lewinsky. but, i have to be honest with you...i think the girl is a tart. watching the way she carries herself, she just seems terribly pleased with this whole thing.

as my mother would say...'its all just sooooo tacky..'<G>.

i am getting pretty sick of hearing about the republican witchhunt. clinton makes nixon look like an alter boy, and the vehemence with which a lot of illinformed people defend him makes me sick. i keep hearing the shouts...'he saved the country'...etc. i am sure we have all heard this from a gas station attendent, or maybe even from a misguided friend. one has to wonder if these people know that we are one heartbeat away from a collapse in the financial markets. if greenspan dies we are going to take a hit. he is the only one, maybe rubin as well, that matters to the economy.

sorry about the mini-rant.

good luck to all,
trey