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To: Zeev Hed who wrote (602)	9/5/1998 2:32:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1542

"Mind you, the word "Jew" (or Yehudi") means "of the tribe of Judea (Yehuda)", which as far as I know were an integral part of the "Hebrews and Israelites"." It is well known that the majority of Jews today are descended from the Khazars who were converted to Judaism in the ninth century. According to Arthud Koestler(and many other researchers and historians) approximately 90% of modern Jews are descended from this Khazar conversion and have no racial relationship to Abraham or the ancient Israelites or Judahites. There are also many others from the reamining 10% that are black Ethipian Jews, semitic Arab Jews, European Jews etc. The Sephardic(or Spanish) Jews are now a very small minority( maybe 3-5%) of the toatl Jewish population of today. The Sephardic Jews are probably the only group of modern Jews who still have some genetic reltionship to the ancient Hebrews or Israelites and Judahites. The Sephardic Jews are also highly mixed with the ancient Iberians and Visigoths that invaded the Iberian penisula in the fifth and sixth century. Emile

To: Zeev Hed who wrote (602)	9/5/1998 4:18:00 PM
From: wallacestevens	Respond to of 1542

Mind you, the word "Jew" (or Yehudi") means "of the tribe of Judea (Yehuda)", which as far as I know were an integral part of the "Hebrews and Israelites". When Solomon died, his son Rehoboam became the king in Jerusalem. The northern tribes were already unhappy with Solomon, and they asked Rehoboam if he was going to be as harsh as his father had been. Rehoboam said basically "you ain't seen nothing yet!" (1Kgs12:14 My father whipped you, but I shall flay you. In fact, his advisors told him to say: "My little finger is bigger than my father's phallus!" (1Kgs12:10) to show how much more force he would bring to bear on the people. (the bible is NOT for children) One thing led to another, and the kingdom split to become 2 kingdoms: Israel, comprised of the northern 10 tribes (who would become the "lost tribes" when invaded by the Assyrians) and Judah, comprised of Judah, which contained Jerusalem, and the small tribe/land of Benjamin. Hence the terms Israelites and Judahites, out of which the modern terms Israeli (a citizen of the modern state of Israel) and Jew evolved. Judea is what the Romans called the land that basically was Judah. Also, when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in the 70s CE, it was they who renamed the land "Palestine" as a slap on the face to the Jews. Palestine was the Roman word for Philistine. They were figuratively wiping out the history of the land back to David's encounter with Goliath and renaming the place as if David had lost. It clears up some confusion when reading the bible when you know that Israelites and Judahites have distinct characteristics. For instance, Israel wasn't so controlled by the Yahweh-only faction as Judah was. Judah, having Jerusalem (and therefore The temple) in its territory, promoted the idea of sacrificing only at the temple; Israel allowed sacrificing at local shrines (the high places). In fact, right after the passage quoted above there is another passage which points out this distinction: "Away to your tents, Israel; Now see to your own house, David." (1Kgs12:16) this refers to the fact that Israel worshipped in the tent, the tabernacle, but David (Judah) worshipped in the temple at Jerusalem. There was a huge schism between Israel and Judah over the nature and substance of their god and the people's relationship to their god. The books Kings 1 and 2 make for fascinating reading. But I am going on too long here and will shut up now!

To: Zeev Hed who wrote (602)	9/7/1998 1:28:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1542

unenlightened Christians that see it their duty to convert Jews to Christianity, that earned the Jews their "rights" Jesus said "go into all the world" converting men to Christianity. Paul followed Jesus's command and preached to the whole world. Peter converted many Jews to Christ. In fact, all of the Apostles, disciples and saints of the Church believed in converting Jews and all other men to the Gospel of Jesus. Are all these holy Christian men and women "unenlightened" according to you and modern talmudic Judaism? You are indicting all true Chritians by these harsh and bigoted words. How can you consider the Christian attempt to liberate those who are in the spiritual auschwitz of Talmudism as unenlightened? Emile