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To: Zeev Hed who wrote (125)	9/7/1998 12:07:00 PM
From: Ahda	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1151

You are right we run into the question of honesty tho. My own feeling is the press should really not be involved in this political arena as it isn't poltical it animalistic. Problem is we bring moral issue to the surface that in my opinion is live with self and God not group mode. Hello gorgeous have a wonderful day don't forget to water the turnips.

To: Zeev Hed who wrote (125)	9/7/1998 12:13:00 PM
From: SOROS	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1151

Dear Zeev, What you say may be true, however, if you think that this is the extent of the "crimes", then you are naive (never forget "I didn't inhale"), or worse, you are like the sheep in America who are apathetic about everything -- as long as my mutual fund rises and I keep my job, then morals, dignity, and self-respect be damned. When you lose respect for others, you are able to do wrong. When you lose respect for yourself, you become like an animal. That, my friend, is where our "leadership" is now. Pleasure is the god. Anything goes. This is why you cannot find America in prophecy. We will be second-rate errand boy for European leader when he arises. Watch it happen. I remain, SOROS ps the fate is assured: Message 5677332

To: Zeev Hed who wrote (125)	9/7/1998 12:23:00 PM
From: SOROS	Respond to of 1151

Washington Post - 09/07/98 By John Schwartz Washington Post Staff Writer Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.), who last week criticized President Clinton's relationship with Monica Lewinsky as "immoral" and "harmful," yesterday said the president could recover his "moral authority" and should receive discipline no stronger than a congressional vote of censure. Legislators from both parties, however, said that impeachment hearings were increasingly likely after this year's congressional elections. Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) said yesterday on NBC's "Meet the Press" that censure was "not likely" in Clinton's case. Lott said a censure is meaningless, and "I don't think the circumstances now call for something that could be interpreted by anybody as nothing." Lott said he wanted to see the final report from independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr before making a final judgment. Starr has been investigating whether Clinton lied under oath when he denied in the Paula Jones sexual harassment suit that he had a sexual relationship with the former White House intern. Starr is also examining whether Clinton encouraged others to lie, and he is to make a report of his findings to Congress soon. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.) also said that a congressional vote of censure was not the proper course and that "we have to do our duty here" and decide whether Clinton should be impeached. Moynihan said Clinton had committed impeachable offenses by lying in depositions in the Jones case. He also said that lying to the American people - as Clinton did in a televised statement last January when he denied having a relationship with Lewinsky - was an impeachable offense. But on ABC's "This Week," Moynihan declined to speculate whether a House impeachment inquiry would end with removal of the president by the Senate. He said he too wanted to read the Starr report and review any House action. The senator said he did not know how he would vote. Under the Constitution, the House of Representatives must decide whether the president should be impeached, the equivalent of issuing an indictment. The Senate, with the chief justice of the Supreme Court presiding, must then conduct a trial. Starr, Moynihan said, has "had enough time" and "God knows, enough staff" to complete the report. If an impeachment proceeding fails, Moynihan said, Clinton "will be able to govern . . . he will be in full powers." Unlike Lieberman, who has been a strong supporter and friend of the president, Moynihan and Clinton have long had a frosty relationship. Lieberman told the Senate last week that Clinton's behavior was not simply a private matter and "compromised his moral authority." He urged Clinton to accept responsibility. He said that giving the speech was "the hardest thing I've ever done in my political career, because the president is my friend." The next day, Clinton twice said he was sorry for his affair with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky, going further than his initial statement, a mixture of feistiness and regret. Lieberman said yesterday on "Meet the Press" that the statement Clinton made during a visit to Ireland began the work of repairing the damage "admirably." Lieberman said he was "confident" that Clinton "can restore the full moral authority of his presidency and go on to finish his presidency." But. Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.) said Clinton's "credibility is obviously severely diminished. I don't know how he can ever recover the strength of the bully pulpit that he needs." Moran, on "Fox News Sunday," called the current controversy "the most serious crisis he has ever faced and I don't really see any way out of it." Censure, Moran said, is not "really an option. I think we're bound to go through with impeachment proceedings." Longtime Clinton friend and supporter Sen. Dale Bumpers (D-Ark.) said he continued to stand by the president. Bumpers, on CNN's "Late Edition," said "I think the president has apologized. I never believed that if he had worn sackcloth and beat his chest with chains that that would put the thing to rest by any means. It might have given a little respite if he had been, what should I say, more contrite." Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.) also on CNN, said that "we were sent to Congress as legislators and not as marriage counselors." In an apparent reference to the revelations last week that Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.), a Clinton critic who chairs the House panel investigating campaign finance irregularities, had fathered a child out of wedlock, Rangel said "I do believe that lying about adulterous acts are things that members of Congress really ought to say, 'those without sin cast the first stone.'"

To: Zeev Hed who wrote (125)	9/7/1998 12:29:00 PM
From: SOROS	Respond to of 1151

Electronic Telegraph - London - 09/07/98 By Hugo Gurdon in Washington THE crisis threatening to bundle President Clinton out of office in disgrace accelerated yesterday amid signs of panic in the White House and defection by Democrats. Having hoped that his week in Russia, Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic would shore up his leadership, Mr Clinton returned to Washington to discover that he is vastly weakened. White House aides said Mr Clinton was shattered by an attack last week by his ally, Democratic Senator Joseph Lieberman, which made him accept that the crisis was not manufactured by his enemies and not one he can escape through the usual mixture of denial, defiance and wounded pride. He is "quite disorientated" and "very stricken", one political adviser said, agreeing with those who thought his appearance in Dublin with the Prime Minister, Bertie Ahern, was that of a haunted man. Jim Moran, a senior Democratic congressman, said yesterday that Mr Clinton would be "very fortunate" if he escaped with no more than formal censure by Congress. Mr Moran said: "I don't think that's an option, I think we are bound to go through impeachment proceedings. I don't know how he can ever recover." There were more body-blows to the President from Senator Patrick Moynihan, the senior Democrat who first broke ranks and in 1994 called for an independent counsel to investigate the Whitewater scandal. Yesterday, he said Henry Hyde and Orrin Hatch, the two Republicans who will lead Congress in deciding whether to impeach the President, were "first rate" men of "impeccable standing". This forestalls any effort by the White House to attack them as partisan. The doors on Mr Clinton's escape routes are being shut one after another and confidence and unity are bleeding away. Aides were reported as saying the mood in the executive mansion was "unbelievably depressing . . . somewhere close to despair". Like President Nixon a generation ago during Watergate, Mr Clinton is ever more isolated. One insider said: "Nobody is managing this crisis, the loop is down to two people, Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are doing it all themselves." The Governor of Maryland, Parris Glendening, cancelled a public appearance with Mr Clinton, and the President's one-time close aide, George Stephanopoulos, said: "The Democratic Party is running away from him." With the President's own party saying such things, there is now talk that Mr Clinton's end could come quickly. Mr Moran and others suggest that if the report due shortly from Kenneth Starr, the independent counsel, reveals not just sordid details of sex sessions in the Oval Office but also clear evidence that the President tried to cover it up, a delegation of Democrats will tell Mr Clinton to resign. Officials say the President recently made a catastrophic blunder that has had the unintended effect of forcing Mr Starr to include in his report all the grubbiest details of Mr Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky. The error was to insist under oath and in his televised confession on Aug 17 that he had been "legally accurate" when he swore that he never had "sexual relations" with Miss Lewinsky. To enable Congress to decide the truth, Mr Starr is now obliged to explain exactly what Miss Lewinsky and Mr Clinton did with and to each other behind closed doors. There are rumours that the details are such that even hitherto-ardent supporters would be too embarrassed to defend. Speaking of the report, which could be delivered to Congress this week, one presidential adviser said: "It's going to be blistering. It is going to connect every dot and draw every negative inference." The crisis has moved into a phase that pundits say confirms the old Washington maxim that presidencies are destroyed not by misdeeds but by cover-ups. It is now being asked whether Mr Clinton's use of tax-financed government departments and aides to perpetuate a deliberate lie amounts to abuse of office. Trent Lott, majority leader in the Senate, said: "The answer could be yes. It looks very bad." Senator Lieberman's speech has destroyed the White House's strategy for the past eight months, which has been a combination of insisting that his relations with Miss Lewinsky were private and attacks on Mr Starr for being a biased, political enemy.