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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: pz who wrote (4190)	9/8/1998 10:55:00 PM
From: Zoltan!	Respond to of 13994

Clinton Woes Fuel Big Voter Shift By David S. Broder Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, September 9, 1998; Page A15 The White House scandal has pushed moral values to the top of the voters' agenda and threatens to depress Democratic turnout to the point Republicans could score a big victory in the November election, two leading pollsters said yesterday. The "Battleground '98" poll, conducted by Republican Ed Goeas and Democrat Celinda Lake, found that moral concerns had leapfrogged other issues during the eight months of focus on President Clinton's relationship with former White House intern Monica S. Lewinsky and had given the GOP a double advantage heading into the fall campaign. Congressional Republicans now enjoy a 7-point lead over congressional Democrats as the party that comes closest to sharing the voters' own values. The GOP margin grows to 13 points when Republicans are contrasted with both Clinton and the Democrats. And, Lake and Goeas agreed, the likely partisan advantage in what is expected to be a low-turnout election is tilted heavily toward voters who are anti-Clinton and likely to support the GOP, especially in open-seat or marginal races. Their Aug. 23-25 telephone survey found that while Clinton's job approval score has remained relatively steady since their last poll, taken a week before the Lewinsky story broke last January, he has suffered a 19-point drop in the share of voters approving of him personally. The latter measure is now 26 percent approval and 62 percent disapproval. Goeas described the electorate this way: "Only 25 percent approve of both the job Clinton is doing as president and approve of him personally. Another 30 percent approve of the job he is doing but do not approve of him personally. A solid 39 percent disapprove of both the job the president is doing and disapprove of him personally." The propensity to vote, as best it can be measured, is heaviest among those who fault Clinton on both counts, moderate among those who give him mixed grades and weakest among those who approve of both his job and his personal character. "In political terms, this translates into a very strong indication that Democratic turnout will be heavily suppressed in November," Goeas said, "while the Republican base will continue to be more energized, especially in key swing districts." Lake, while holding out hope Democrats can shift the election agenda back to the issues of Social Security, health care and education, where they have a decided advantage, did not disagree with Goeas's analysis. She, too, found concern about moral values the best predictor of the partisan congressional vote and said, "There are indications that Democratic voters, demoralized by President Clinton's problems and seeing little incentive to vote for politicians and a system teetering on the brink of moral bankruptcy, may choose to stay home on Nov. 3, while Republicans may turn out at average or higher than average levels to help cure the moral ills of politics." Lake noted that the "gender gap" still exists, but acknowledged that men are more Republican than ever and that among white women, the Democratic lead has almost disappeared. She also pointed out that among senior citizens, whose impact is unusually great in low-turnout elections, moral issues now have eclipsed even Social Security in importance. "In our focus groups this year," she said, "seniors have been particularly upset by scandals including the campaign finance reform scandals. Values are now their top issue . . . but seniors give Democrats and Clinton negative marks on values." One positive note for Democrats in the survey was that voters increasingly credit them for what has been a healthy economy. Congressional Democrats lead the GOP on improving the economy and creating jobs, but Republicans still have the advantage on holding down taxes. The differential turnout figures were the most dramatic element of the poll. Republicans led by 3 points among all 1,000 in the sample of voters. But that lead grew to 14 points among the 41 percent considered most likely to vote - a margin Lake said was greater than that of 1994, when the Democrats lost both the House and Senate. Noting that the Clinton saga remains unfinished, she said, "We may not have seen it [the turnout problem] bottom out yet." Rep. Martin Frost (Tex.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said in a statement, "We have always anticipated that 1998 would be a low-turnout year." He said Democrats will win with "candidates who promise results on issues of genuine local concern." But Rep. John Linder (Ga.), chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, said: "We [Republicans] went through this with Watergate in 1974. It will be very difficult for them [Democrats] to motivate their people to vote." washingtonpost.com

To: pz who wrote (4190)	9/8/1998 11:31:00 PM
From: dfloydr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13994

Boy is Hillary a sucker! I guess she likes her current address enough to grovel and plea for that two timing, lying husband .... what a pathetic and disgusting scene that will be! She is an attorney ... she knows perjury is not cool and that once a trust is broken ... it stays broken. My bet is she has managed a lot of the nonsense that has gone on - FBI files - Travelgate - so one of the sleezy Clintons is going to plea for the other. How utterly unconvincing. She sure does not get it! Lost billing records, lousy medical plan, unbelievable arrogance, obstruction and obfuscation, idiot homekeeper strike, lying under oath, setting friends and cabinet members out to lie to us, $40 million required to get through to the truth, Democrats dying left and right ... husband who pokes everything in skirts .... she really is lost in the village, poor thing. And now she is to plea for her husband's forgiveness. Someone please nominate her for Village Idiot. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but this show is getting old. There is certainly no Shakespeare in this performance. Someone please ring the gong and clear these players off the stage. Floyd

To: pz who wrote (4190)	9/8/1998 11:37:00 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

That's brilliant. Boy these people are good. I didn't think they'd do it, but, if true, they've come up with another scheme that exploits the stupidity of the American public for their own self gratification/preservation. Brilliant.

To: pz who wrote (4190)	9/9/1998 3:17:00 AM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

oh we can forgive him, no problem there. hillary need not beg for that. but her husband still can't remain president, because he blew his credibility. he can't be trusted anymore, because he grossly abused that trust. it's not like we're married to Clinton. We forgive you Clinton. Now go back to Arkansas.

To: pz who wrote (4190)	9/9/1998 3:20:00 AM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13994

but speaking of forgiveness, has hillary apologised yet for blaming a "vast right wing conspiracy" on clinton's infidelity and his propensity to lie to the american people and under oath to federal courts? I'm still patiently waiting for hillary to apologize for that. when she asks, I'm sure I'll forgive her. but her and her husband still need to find alternative employment.

To: pz who wrote (4190)	9/9/1998 12:31:00 PM
From: Who, me?	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13994

DRUDGE REPORT By Matt Drudge Tue Sep 08 1998 21:16:40 ET HILLARY MAY ASK NATION TO FORGIVE HUSBAND; STARR EXPECTED TO SUBMIT REPORT TO CONGRESS IN NEXT FEW DAYS Hillary Clinton may soon ask the nation to forgive her husband, according to a published report on Wednesday. She would say that she has forgiven her husband for his relationship with Lewinsky... The report will hit The Hill on Friday, NBC NEWS is reporting. The NEW YORK TIMES, in Wednesday editions, reveals that Starr's grand jury will continue its criminal inquiry even after a report is sent to the House of Representatives... The pace turns bitch for White House staffers. "Close advisers of Clinton had not expected Starr to deliver his report so soon, and some of them are concerned that the White House is not prepared to respond to it," according to the TIMES... The LOS ANGELES TIMES reports in fresh editions that Hillary Rodham Clinton may soon speak out to defend her husband. Washington was also hit with reports of impending staff changes at the White House, with former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell close to accepting the post of White House chief of staff [or a new position as the White House's liaison with Congress in all matters Starr.] Clinton may offer another public apology later this week, perhaps at a prayer breakfast at the White House on Friday morning... Among Clinton strategists, reports WASHINGTON POST's Peter Baker, "there is no consensus on how to proceed, with some advocating a plea-bargain-style approach in which he seeks to cut a deal with Congress for some form of censure while others suggest preparing for a long, drawn-out fight. One idea that has been suggested... would be for Clinton to demand that Congress stay in town to deal with the Starr report rather than go home to campaign for the November elections." X X X X X CLINTON SUPPORTER IS PHILOSOPHICAL She was one of the last ones to turn. Supersyndicated columnist Ellen Goodman, BOSTON GLOBE, releases an essay on Wednesday that now reveals her deep sadness over the State of Clinton. "The sunflower in my garden has chosen this morning to finally bloom," Goodman begins. "The sole survivor of a planting lost to birds, rain and wind, it stands alone like a punctuation mark at the end of the summer sentence." [Violins up] "This has been a scattered, uneasy summer. It was hard to get to that open, quiet space in life, that piece of peace of mind. The world has been too much with us... the relentless static of The Scandal that we feel collectively, all too personally... Fuming anger at the president who would risk everything..." Goodman's summer-end sober is a far cry from her initial reaction to the Lewinsky mess. When the story first broke on the Internet earlier this year, Pulitzer Prize-winning Goodman was everywhere but reality. "Indeed if Kenneth Starr with his ruthless vacuum cleaner cannot find a lethal dust ball," Goodman laughed. "If this scandal has done anything besides keeping the Internet chat rooms full of sex jokes..." Goodman smarted. "Monica Lewinsky may yet prove to be a stalker with a fertile imagination," Goodman declared. [Well, at least the lines weren't plagiarized.]