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To: D.J.Smyth who wrote (64680)9/10/1998 12:00:00 PM
From: Rif Kamil, M.D  Respond to of 176387
 
OT>>Being a shrink, I was intrigued by your comments about intelligence and sexual deviance. I am not aware to too many studies linking sexual deviance to a HIGH IQ. I suspect that the inverse relationship is more likely. Many forms of deviance are linked with low IQ (which may have an effect on behavioural control)



To: D.J.Smyth who wrote (64680)9/10/1998 12:09:00 PM
From: D.J.Smyth  Respond to of 176387
 
ot, Rif, this was suggested to me by another this a.m. i deal in x&y variables; i'm not a shrink. i'll ask him to which studies he is referring. there's a number of significant politcal leaders that desplayed such behavior according to him. he's significantly more qualified than i. we'll see what he comes up with if he doesn't mind finding such

there were specifically three in my graduate school who's IQ's were above 150 that i knew of, although i don't recall the specific number. their sexual parts were, shall we say, an item open for intellectual discussion among other things. not a scientific sample



To: D.J.Smyth who wrote (64680)9/10/1998 12:14:00 PM
From: JPR  Respond to of 176387
 
~~~~~~~~OT~~~~~~~~~~~ Notice to OT Haters~~~~~ Read at your own risk
You are sufficiently warned.

Darrell:
Testosterone, I understand, is the primary driver for sexual aggression in both genders. This sexual aggression is modulated by prevalent sexual mores, dictated by society at large. The sexual mores are also country, culture, race, religion , power, and time and place-specific. There is no way we can go in to details of sexual function, practice, persuasion, and preference in a non-academic environment, such as this thread. Your arguments about high Iqs and sexuality is at best anecdotal. I may point out that most of the sexual deviants and predators in the prison are not endowed with high Iqs. Sexual aggression runs right through all strata of the society. The common denominator in all these people is their perceived power over the aggressed person. They have proven their power once they score.
JPR



To: D.J.Smyth who wrote (64680)9/11/1998 6:24:00 AM
From: nihil  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 176387
 
OT -- Sexual Deviance and IQ, etc.

There is some evidence (I seem to recall) in the later Kinsey Institute studies that socioeconomic status (+correlated with IQ) is +correlated with approval and participation in a variety of sexual outlets (which you may identify with "sexual deviance." Herrnstein and Murray in The Bell Curve show that IQ and degree of contact with criminal justice system for young white males are inversely correlated. They also discuss (p.244) Danish, New Zealand, and Kauai studies that indicated that IQ is a strong protectant against social deviancy (although not necessarily sexual deviancy) especially among children with other problems.
I don't mean to be insulting, but the weirdness of your fellow graduate students who were in the IQ>150 crowd may be the result of some kind of adverse selection. At highly selective graduate programs in science and engineering an IQ of >150 (>three sigma) would be commonplace. In any event, no inferences can be drawn from so small a sample.
I know of no IQ test for Albert Einstein, obviously a very creative man, and a good patent clerk, but a high IQ? I don't know. Can one consider spouse abuse as sexual deviancy in his time and place?
Finally, may we consider Clinton a sexual deviant? Sex on the side appears to be the norm among top executives (most of whom are highly intelligent). Lying about sex on the side appears to be an even more firmly established norm. None of this is intended to excuse, or even explain, his behavior. I do think it is unduly optimistic to expect powerful men either to abstain from such activities or to confess to them before it is absolutely necessary.
Part of the fun of human life is discovering the feet of clay of great men. "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars but in ourselves
that we are underlings." Our ability to find fault and eject the great man from office provides all the gratification of assassination without the danger. It is really fun when the great man is overthrown because he has done things that we have done (had illicit sex and lied about it) and been caught at it (and we haven't).