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To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (20649)9/10/1998 3:58:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Sam,

You're killing my walk......

I'm not supposed to say things like this, but you've dragged me into the swamp with you.......

What drugs do you take???

They must be really good ones....

Come on, tell us, oh supernatural one!

Steve

PS: I know who you are now....its in Matthew 8;

28: And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

29: And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

30: And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.

31: So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

32: And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

You're one of those swine that did not drowned! The story is wrong...one got away! I get it now! You're trying to get some payback!



To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (20649)9/10/1998 4:09:00 PM
From: Chris land  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
Sam,

I recommend that you repent of your ways because otherwise nothing awaits you but a Godless eternity of misery and pain. Come to the fountain where sinners can be made whole. Though you have offended God, it may be that the day of salvation hasn't yet been closed to you. Plead your case while there is still time.

Chris



To: Sam Ferguson who wrote (20649)9/10/1998 5:18:00 PM
From: Sam Ferguson  Respond to of 39621
 
How bout some bible quotes?

And you worship this God?

If the Bible were strictly followed, women and negroes would still be publicly bought and sold in
America. If it were believed in as it once was, if the Church had the power she once had, I should
never see the light of another day, and your lives would be made a hell for sitting here to-night. The
iron grasp of superstition would hold you and your children forever over the bottomless pit of
religious persecution, and cover your fair fame with infamous slander, because you dared to sit here
and hear me strike a blow at infinite injustice.

Every injustice that has ever been fastened upon women in a Christian country has been "authorized
by the Bible" and riveted and perpetuated by the pulpit. That seems strong language, no doubt; but I
shall give you an opportunity to decide as to its truth. I will now bring my witnesses. They are from
the "inspired word" itself, and therefore must be all that could be desired.

I will read yon a short passage from Exodus xx. 22; xxi. 7-8:

22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen
that I talked with you from heaven. * * *

7. And if a man sell his daughter to be a maid-servant, she shall not go out as the men-servants
do.

8. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be
redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt
deceitfully with her.

The Lord doesn't object to a man selling his daughter, but if any one thing makes him angrier than
another it is to have her go about as the men-servants do after she is sold. On a little point like that
he is absolutely fastidious. You may here notice that God took the trouble to come down from
heaven to tell the girl what not to do after she was sold. He forgot to suggest to her father that it
might be as well not to sell her at all. He forgot that. But in an important conversation one often
overlooks little details. The next is Joshua xv. 16-17:

16 And Caleb said, He that smiteth Kirjath-sepher, and taketh it, to him will I give Achsah my
daughter to wife.

17 And Othniel the brother of Caleb [and consequently the girl's uncle] took it: and he gave
him Achsah his daughter to wife.

Please to remember that the said Caleb was one of God's intimates -- a favorite with the Almighty.
The girl was not consulted; the father paid off his warriors in female scrip. The next is Gen. xix. 5-8

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this
night? bring them out unto us that we may know them.

6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him.

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters * * * * let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do
ye to them as is good in your eyes; only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they
under the shadow of my roof.

These men had come under the shadow of Lot's roof for protection, it seems, and Lot felt that his
honor demanded that he should shield them even at the cost of the purity and safety of his own
daughters! Do you know I have always had a mild curiosity to know what his daughters were under
the shadow of his roof for. It could not have been for protection, I judge, since Lot was one of
God's best friends. He was on all sorts of intimate terms with the Deity -- knew things were going to
happen before they came -- was the only man good enough to save from a doomed city -- the only
one whose acts pleased God and this act seems to have been particularly satisfactory. These men
were "angels of God" who required this infamy for their protection! If it takes all the honor out of a
man when he gets to be an angel, they may use my wings for a feather-duster.

Now here is a little property law. Num. xxvii.

6 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

8 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a man die, and have no son, then
ye shall cause his inheritance to pass unto his daughter.

And our law works a little that way yet; being the result of ecclesiastical law it naturally would.

Next we have Num. xxxvi.:

8 And every daughter that possesseth an inheritance in any tribe of the children of Israel, shall
be wife unto one of the family of the tribe of her father, that the children of Israel may enjoy
every man the inheritance of his fathers.

9 Neither shall the inheritance remove from one tribe to another tribe; but every one of the
tribes of the children of Israel shall keep himself to his own inheritance.

10 Even as the LORD commanded Moses, so did the daughters of Zelophehad.

That is all the women were for -- articles of conveyance for property. Save the land, no matter about
the girls. Now these silly women actually believed that God told Moses whom they had to marry just
because Noses said so! I tell you, ladies and gentlemen, it is not safe to take heavenly
communications at second-hand. Second- hand articles are likely to be varnished over, and have to
be taken at a discount. And it seems to me that, if the lord is at all particular as to whom a girl should
marry she is the one for him to discuss the matter with. Moses didn't have to live with the sons of
Zelophehad, and consequently wasn't the one to talk the matter over with. But, you see, it won't do
to question what Moses said God told him, because upon his veracity the whole structure is built. He
had more personal interviews with the Deity than any other man -- he and Solomon -- and hence
they are the best authority.

I have here the 31st chapter of Numbers, but it is unfit to read. It tolls a story of shame and crime
unequalled in atrocity. It tells that God commanded Moses and Eleazar, the priest, to produce vice
and perpetrate crime on an unparalleled scale. It tells us that they obeyed the order, and that 16,000
helpless girls were dragged in the mire of infamy and divided amongst the victorious soldiers. They
were made dissolute by fore, and by direct command of God!

This one chapter stamps as false, forever, the claim of inspiration for the Bible. That one chapter
would settle it for me. Do you believe that God told Moses that? Do you believe there is a God who
is a thief, a murderer, and a defiler of innocent girls? Do you believe it? Yet this religion is built upon
Moses' word, and woman's position was established by him. It seems to me time for women to
retire Moses from active life. Coax him to resign on account of his health. Return him to his
constituency. He has been on the supreme bench long enough. Don't let your children believe in such
a God. Better let them believe in annihilation. Better lot them think that the sleep of death is the end
of all! Better, much better, let them believe that the tender kiss at parting is the last of all
consciousness for them, and after that eternal rest! Don't let their hearts be seared, their lives
clouded, their intellects dwarfed by the cruel dread of the God of Moses! Better, thrice better, let the
cold earth close over the loved and loving dust forever, than that it should enter the portals of infinite
tyranny.

Next we will take Deut. xx. 10-16

10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. [Good
scheme!]

11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all
the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt
besiege it:

13 And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thy hands, thou shalt smite every male
thereof with the edge of the sword:

14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil
thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thy enemies, which the
LORD thy God hath given thee.

15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the
cities of these nations.

16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance,
thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth.

The injunction to proclaim peace unto a city about to be attacked and plundered strikes me as a
particularly brilliant idea. When you go to rob and murder a man, just tell him to keep cool and
behave like a gentleman and you won't do a thing to him but steal all his property and cut his throat
and retire in good order. God always seemed to fight on the side of the man who would murder
most of his fellow-men and degrade the greatest number of women. He seemed, in fact, to rather
insist on this point if he was particular about nothing else. And, by the way, if you had happened to
live in one of those cities, what opinion do you think you would have had of Jehovah? Would he
have impressed you as a loving Father?