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Gold/Mining/Energy : International Precious Metals (IPMCF) -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: d:oug who wrote (34132)9/11/1998 5:36:00 AM
From: d:oug  Respond to of 35569
 
Continuation of my prior post to Paunch. So that I am clean in my
understanding of Larry's recent post, I copy parts of it, and comment.
First, I am aware that I'am using the 1 million dollar number to
represent 1/2 for debt and 1/2 for prove dirt. I think Paunch had
a 1/2 and 3/4, and Larry had the total as 2. From this I have an
assumption, an question, and maby an issue. I'am assuming that we
the current shareholders are still the legal owners of IPM, eventho
the bankruptcy court has control. Also, that IPM has no board of
directors, and who represents IPM in the court is not knowned to me.
If the court is presented with a buyout offer, the fact that Paunch
posted a couple days ago that this was possible, then Paunch should
know what person would represent current shareholders to the court.
Lets say we decide to buy out IPM with 1/2 million dollars going to
the IPM debt, and 1/2 or more needed up front to safeguard our buyout
of IPM and get evidence that the dirt is good dirt thru proving it.
Now my question is, in what area or arena or agency do we have the
ability to issue the 100 million new ipmcf shares that will only be
available for buying by current shareholders. Can a shareholder buy
only a percentage based on currently owned percentage, and if so, then
will those shares not brought be available on a first come buy basic.
Another question, can a current shareholder do as I wrote in one of my
past posts, sell their shares, and if so, to anyone ?

(from Larry's post)
<<< issues 200 million new shares at .01 to raise $2 million.
... new money investors now own a substantial majority of IPM.
... but, your existing shares become almost worthless because
they represent such a small proportion of the company.
In order to gain control over the ownership of the company,
you have to realize your existing shares are worthless.
Comprende? >>>

A quick rebuttal to above:
I currently have 110,000 shares.
I put in US $10,000 and buy at .01 per share, get 1,000,000 shares.
Now I got 1.11 million shares, and if we can prove the dirt and get
back on CDN, then my initial 110,000 shares will most likely be .01.
So to key on Larry's word above of "worthless", the shares of those
current ipmcf shareholders that do not add new money and buy some of
the newly issued 100 million shares at $.01 each, will in cold hard
facts result in near worthless shares. My current 110,000 at .01
sold will return to me $1,100, whih is less than the commission I
paided to broker. But using me as an example that will throw good
money after bad, my $10,000 gets me 1 million shares, and if after
a year or more, very good things happen, and a share raises to .05
(five cents), then my $10,000 of new money would return on 1,110,000
shares, $55,500 which is possible, as is zero, but not as sure as the
zero guaranteed by no buy out.
Doug



To: d:oug who wrote (34132)9/11/1998 10:18:00 AM
From: Paunch  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 35569
 
Doug,
If Ipm goes into chapter 7 the company is up for grabs, we would have to place a bid with the court and take the chance that someone would offer more.When IPM goes into chapter 7 all shares are lost. If we are the highest bidder we get the rights to Black Rock but , we have no Corp.Now we must form a Corp. the cost of which I don't know but i understand is very expensive. Also we have no mining person to operate the mine, and any person capable of running the mine does not come cheap. To think that any of us not experienced in mining could start up and run Black Rock would be complete foolishness.

If We made an agreement to pay off the debt of IPM, the cost has been estimated at $ 500,000.00 however, the cost could be more or less according to what the court decided. The cost to bring the mine to the capability to get money on it's own has been estimated at $ 750,000.00, bringing the total we need to $ 1,250,000.00. This figure is just an estimate. Is there anyone of the share holders who have the experience to run the mine, i doubt that, I helped bring a silver mine in Mexico in 1973 to the stage where it was ready to produce but that in no way qualify's me.
If we take over the mine before chapter 7 , we have a corp., no expense to form one, I know no one trusts Yellich But he would run the mine under our watchful eye on an expense account only until the mine was able to get money on it's own.
Suppose we had 10,000,000 share holders at .10 per share , that gives us $ 1,000,000.00, That leaves 12,000,000 shares that chose not to be a part of the new company,if we didn't, we all loose all shares, but sense we did the shares are not lost. We issue one hundred million shares for .01,. Each person taking part in the new company buy's shares according to what they own now. Then we do a 10 for 1 reverse split , if we had 10,000 shares now we would have 1000, that would be the same % that we had at 10,000. Our old shares would be cut the same way, the share holders that were not a part of the new company would loose 90 % of there shares, but that is a lot better than 100% lose.
This is just one way to try to save some of our investment, but I don't see how it can work without at least 10,000,000 shares being represented. this leaves the new company owning 10 million shares, the old company owning 1.2 million shares of which the share holders of the new company ownes .5 million, that leaves the new company owning 10.5 million shares, the share holders that did not take part still own .7 million shares. When completed the share holders of the new company own and control almost 94 % of the new mine, the share holders that did not take part in the new mine still retain 10 % of their shares and if we can make the mine work everyone wins if not everyone looses .
Paunch