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Politics : Should Clinton resign? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (84)	9/11/1998 7:19:00 AM
From: joseph w renfrow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 567

Found this on the net....most interesting indeed...... HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE BILL CLINTON'S FRIEND ?? > The following is a list of dead people connected with Bill Clinton: > > James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an > apparent > heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in > Ken > Starr's investigation. > > Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at > a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after > she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White > House. > > Vince Foster - Former White House councelor, and colleague of Hillary > Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to > the > head, > ruled a suicide. > > Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported > to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the > investi- > gation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull > resembling > a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being > investigated, and > spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. > > C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery raiser - Major players in the > Clinton > fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992. > > Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found > dead > in > a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as > a " > Dear friend and trusted advisor". > > Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the > woods > in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed > Willey > died > on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped > her in > the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several > Clinton fund raising events. > > Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little > Rock. > Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little > Rock. > Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He > allegedly > threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were > mysteriously removed from his house. > > James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he > had a > "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who > visited > prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas. > > James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an aparent hanging > suicide. > He was reported to have ties to Whitewater. > > Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in > May > 1994 was found dead in her living roon with a gunshot to her head. > It was > ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as > if she > was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with > Bill > Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible > corroborating witness for Paula Jones. > > Bill Shelton - Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. > Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in > June, > 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his > fiancee. > > Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by > jumping out > a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted > drug > distributor. > > Florence Martin - Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA related to > the > Barry > Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds. > > Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was > Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the > head, > ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death. > > Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 > until > her > death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident. > > Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport > and > Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent > suicide > in the middle of his investigation. > > Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with > Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet > June > 22, > 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet > Reno 3 > weeks before his death. > > Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust > Corp. > Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony > August > 15, 1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal. > > Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron > Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. > Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the > Department of > Commerce. > > Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John > Huang > special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane > crash. > > Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care > Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small > plane > crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory > council > personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother. > > Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no > accident. > > Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in > the > trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a > utility > pole. > > Stanley Huggins - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report > was > never released. > > Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 > when > his plane exploded. > > Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. > Reports > say > the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena arkansas airport drug > operation. > Controversaial case where initial report of death was due to falling > asleep > on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain > before > being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their > testimony could come before a Grand Jury. > > THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY > CASE: > Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a > truck > July, 1988. > Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988 > Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989. > Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump > in > April 1989. > James Milan - Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural > causes. > Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his > pickup > truck in June 1990. > Richard Winters - Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was > killed in a > set-up robbery July 1989 > > THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD: > Major William S. Barkley Jr. > Captain Scott J. Reynolds > Sgt. Brian Hanley > Sgt. Tim Sabel > Major General William Robertson > Col. William Densberger > Col. Robert Kelly > Spec. Gary Rhodes > Steve Willis > Robert Williams > Conway LeBleu > Todd McKeehan >

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (84)	9/11/1998 9:49:00 AM
From: Impristine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 567

i love sport fans... how is everyone this fine morning? <G>

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (84)	9/11/1998 10:50:00 AM
From: Zoltan!	Respond to of 567

September 11, 1998 The Other Clinton In l'affaire Lewinsky, Hillary Clinton is obviously a woman wronged, all the more so if you watch soap opera news. Andrea Mitchell of NBC reports that Mrs. Clinton copes well with her husband's behavior because she is "deeply religious" and "incredibly angry" at Kenneth Starr. CBS's Eric Engberg rhapsodizes that this is "not just a political thunderclap, but a family tragedy." Mrs. Clinton in fact is the leading symbol of the problem of a bill of impeachment focusing on sexual behavior and the ensuing coverup, no matter how carefully documented. This emphasis on the personal obscures the systemic nature of the Clinton coverups, indeed, the Clinton mode of governance. It is probably too much to expect that the soaps would recall that she, not he, turned the $100,000 commodities strike back in 1978 under the tutelage of Jim Blair of Tyson Foods. The statute of limitations had expired by the time this bribe was disclosed, but it also happens that Mrs. Clinton is smack in the middle of some other, unfulfilled items of Mr. Starr's mandate. The mandate started with the original Whitewater-Madison Guaranty land deals, over which Mr. Starr has already convicted Jim and Susan McDougal and former Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker. Mrs. Clinton's work at the Rose Law Firm covered a deal called Castle Grande; the Resolution Trust Corp. concluded that the Castle Grande deal was a "sham transaction" designed to conceal Madison's ownership. The Rose billing records from the firm were under subpoena for two years before they miraculously appeared on a coffee table in a room at the White House. Fed up, Mr. Starr summoned Mrs. Clinton in January 1996 to a Washington grand jury for an explanation. It also happens that in September 1996, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. concluded that a document drafted by Mrs. Clinton had been used by McDougal's Madison S&L "to deceive federal bank examiners." Mr. Starr has determined that deputy White House counsel Vincent Foster died by his own hand at Fort Marcy Park in July 1993, but the probe into the aftermath of the death remains open. Mrs. Clinton played a key role in limiting access by federal investigators to Mr. Foster's office, and her chief of staff, Maggie Williams, was seen leaving the area with an armful of folders. A year later, in the face of media and Congressional pressure, the White House revealed that Whitewater files removed from Mr. Foster's office had been kept at the personal residence for five days before being turned over to the Clintons' personal attorneys. Mr. Starr's mandate also includes the misuse of FBI files, a subject covered in the sixth deposition of Mrs. Clinton by Mr. Starr's investigators last April. And finally, Mr. Starr is supposed to report on the Travel Office firings. A 1993 memo by then-White House director of administration David Watkins directly contradicting Mrs. Clinton surfaced during a House investigation. Vincent Foster "regularly informed me that the First Lady was concerned and desired action--the action desired was the firing of the Travel Office staff." The Watkins memo was discovered after White House lawyers had submitted an April 1994 statement on behalf of Mrs. Clinton saying she "does not know the origin of the decision to remove the White House Travel Office employees." Mr. Starr's grand juries, where the matters above have been vetted, were meeting yesterday, indicating that investigation of the balance of his mandate goes forward. It is of course asking a lot for Mr. Starr to get some clear deposition of the issues concerning not only the President but the First Lady. But if he fails to do so, we doubt that justice will have been served or the public adequately informed about how its government has been run. interactive.wsj.com

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (84)	9/11/1998 10:55:00 AM
From: Zoltan!	Respond to of 567

September 11, 1998 Hillary's Advice: Impeachment Has Its Uses By PAUL A. GIGOT The second most instructive document in Washington these days involves not President Clinton but his wife. No, not the Whitewater billing records. It's a 1974 report by the Democratic staff--of which Hillary Rodham was a member--of the Judiciary Committee contemplating Richard Nixon's impeachment. That superb historical survey concludes that the framers viewed impeachment as "one of the central elements of executive responsibility in the framework of the new government as they conceived it." It quotes approvingly Alexander Hamilton, in Federalist 65, that impeachment should apply to "those offences which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself." We have arrived where Hamilton and Hillary both foresaw we would. This is the big picture to keep in mind as Clinton defenders moan about the "trauma" of impeachment, the "damage to the country," or the "need to get this behind us." Impeachment isn't fun, but the founders understood--and our current first lady once agreed--that it could also be cleansing. Consider the benefits of impeachment today: 1. It's educational like nothing else is. For both angry Republicans and scared Democrats, resignation will be the politically easy escape. But if a twice-elected president is going to leave early, most Americans must first be persuaded it's necessary and just. Impeachment hearings are the only way to bring the country along to such a judgment, preventing later resignation remorse. That's why Democrat John Dingell, the senior member of the House, deserves credit for urging the public release of Kenneth Starr's report. After disclosing the main report today, Congress should release the 2,000 pages of backup testimony too. Better everything come out on the record than have it become sludge for Drudge and Geraldo. 2. It reasserts the primacy of fact and law. The Clinton years have seen the apogee of spin and political artifice. Now we will relearn that the truth does have consequences. Mr. Starr focused his report on the Monica Lewinsky matter, I am told, because its evidence is overwhelming and multi-sourced. This leaves the White House with the rebuttal that it's "just a sex case." But that defense may not work with voters who read evidence of law-breaking, witness tampering, and even the abuse of the Secret Service to protect illicit sex. "These are serious offenses that go to the heart of our justice system," says Ronald Rotunda, who helped write the report as a consultant to Mr. Starr and was a member of the Senate Democratic staff during Watergate. Mr. Starr is unloved because the independent counsel law made him the one to break up our national contentment. But his persistence despite the polls proves again that in America the law holds even presidents accountable. 3. It may rehabilitate our political institutions. Congress has hardly distinguished itself during the Clinton years, and many assume impeachment will be another food fight. Certainly Barney Frank and Bob Barr may end up wrestling in the mud. But my guess is that most members on both sides of the aisle will rise to the occasion. It happened with Peter Rodino, the New Jersey Democrat, who until Nixon's impeachment was derided unfairly as a hack with unsavory friends. But he kept a cool demeanor and a somber tone, and helped make Nixon's departure inevitable. Grown-ups are asserting themselves now, too. Pat Moynihan, a Democrat with gravitas, says the country can survive impeachment and Congress should "get on with it." Look for younger voices to emerge on Judiciary, too, perhaps California Republican and former judge Jim Rogan or Democrat Zoe Lofgren. The most important Republican grown-up is Judiciary Chairman Henry Hyde, who is feared by the White House precisely because he can't be morphed into Al D'Amato. His political savvy is already apparent in his choice of staff. His impeachment counsel, David Schippers, is a Chicago Democrat unhip to partisan Washington but steeped in the history of impeachment. In 1974, New York Times columnist (and now Clinton defender) Anthony Lewis quoted Mr. Schippers as concluding that Nixon had committed impeachable offenses. Don't expect Mr. Lewis to quote him this time. 4. It helps Democrats. Really. Democrats are fated to suffer some guilt-by-association in November no matter what happens, but they can limit the damage by reasserting their independence on impeachment. Like Joe Lieberman last week, they have a chance to rise above their morally embarrassing "everybody does it" defense of the last two years. Impeachment hearings will force the country to have a much-needed debate about standards, both political and moral. An argument over Bill Clinton's misconduct won't be elegant, but it will set parameters for acceptable future behavior by all politicians. Lying well will no longer be considered a civic virtue. No president since Nixon has done more than Bill Clinton to define political deviancy down. So it's only right that the country use his now likely impeachment hearings to begin redefining it back up. interactive.wsj.com