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To: CharleyMike who wrote (210)	9/11/1998 6:49:00 PM
From: John S.	Respond to of 242

Hello Charley Mike, For the time being I am doing well enough that if any better I'm sure the government would put a tax on it. (The market here is another matter) I hope you are well also. In my post I mentioned faith (based on things unseen) came first. It first came from hearing, reading and believing the word of God in the bible. Proof in what I had faith in (to my mind from experience) came afterwards when I wasn't asking for it. I still have fun thinking of how people put faith in their cars brakes, elevators, planes, the food we eat all of which if malfunctioning or tampered with can kill us. Yet they balk at faith in God. Faith in something is a common practise everyday. Tangible items agreed, but so is all of creation. Darwin I recall reading was amazed at the eye. It cannot evolve, it either works or it doesn't and virtually every species on the planet has some reasonable facsimile of one. Bombardier beetles were another nemesis with evolution, their defence mechanism of explosive gases have to have the exact mixture combined at the precise moment to produce an explosion in the face of whatever is trying to eat them. How many of the unfortunate bugs were blown into eternity as they evolved the chemical process required? Or were they created? I don't know if you prescribe to evolution at all, just having fun. Nice to hear from you and have a great day. John

To: CharleyMike who wrote (210)	9/12/1998 1:30:00 AM
From: Ontopequity	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 242

Your statement: "If you have a reason for your belief then it isn't faith. I would think that sincere faith has no reason or cause." You have quoted some scripture from Christianity to support this statement. Therefore I thought it fitting to answer you by quoting some Christian people who had sincere enough faith that they were prepared to endure torture and death for: " Do not fear what they fear; do not be frightened.But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to every-one who asks you to give the REASON for the hope that you have." 1 Peter 3:15 (emphasis mine) It is written in Acts 17:2 " as his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on the Sabbath days he REASONED with them from the scriptures, EXPLAINING and PROVING that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. Jesus himself said before his death that "everything that is written about the Son of Man will be fulfilled" Luke 18:31 It is also recorded that after his resurrection, he appeared to hundreds of eyewitnesses and in one account 'said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?" And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he EXPLAINED to them what was said in all the scriptures concerning himself.' Luke 24:25 My point here is that the Christian faith has it's very foundation and basis in reason and cause. The atheists claim to provide reason for believing that there is no "god". they seem to esteem logic and scientific theories to the point where they find it insulting to be classified as having indeed a form of " faith". I would dare to say that faith not rooted in reason and logic, is weak, superficial, and could never endure the crucible of persecution evident down through the centuries. I do agree however that there is a point where logic and reason can raise itself up beyond it's intended use, and so quench the thirsting Spirit in us. We can not explain the millions of functions and intricacies in a single cell; what makes us think that we can explain the origins and the designer of such technology? We can grasp a few skeletal facts, and I strongly believe that these facts can stand under the pressure of critical thought and evaluation or they are not facts at all. "If the dead are not raised, 'let us eat drink and drink, for tomorrow we die". 1Cor 15:32