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To: mark silvers who wrote (20696)	9/11/1998 11:16:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Mark <<< I thought everyone is a child of God?>>>> You will not find that in the bible. I could give you scriptures if you want which declare that some people do the works of their father the devil. Chris

To: mark silvers who wrote (20696)	9/12/1998 12:57:00 AM
From: Jamey	Respond to of 39621

"I thought everyone is a child of God?" (Mark) Mark, We are all God's creation. To be a child of God you must be born again. Regards, Santiago

To: mark silvers who wrote (20696)	9/12/1998 2:53:00 PM
From: Stan	Respond to of 39621

Hello Mark, According to Jesus' words, the term "son" (child) had to do with "emulation of" or "expression of" someone else who models spiritual characteristics for his followers. Jesus spoke of the Pharisees, his enemies who eventually arranged his death, that they were of "their father the devil." Jesus meant that the Pharisees expressed the spirit of Satan by seeking his murder as well practicing other evils perpetrated by the devil. The Pharisees contended that they were the children of Abraham. They relied on a physical genealogy to verify this. They failed to understand that both elements of genealogy were crucial to sonship with Abraham. If Abraham had not left his homeland in Ur to follow God, his descendants -- if he fathered outside of Sarah -- would have no claims to faith in God. However, he demonstrated his willingness to have faith by leaving his homeland for one to be shown him. Further he believed that God could produce a physical offspring to begin a nation of people to bring forth the promised Seed, even though he and his wife were barren.* More importantly, Jesus has two titles containing the term "Son": The Son of God, meaning that He completely and fully expresses God (the Father), including His eternal existence. Frankly, this has to be if you think about it. In what way could the true Son of God be a creature? If he were only a creature like us -- having a beginning -- He would be missing this crucial element of God's nature. As it is, He, like God has no beginning, no ending, and no changing. The reason why there can be only one begotten Son of God is that God does not have a personality split up among many conflicting eternally existent sons each having no beginning or ending. Eternity for creatures is after they've come from the act of creation. For all thing God makes is eternal. Secondly, he called Himself the "Son of man." This means that He is the perfect representative of all that man is meant to be. No one can lay as much a claim as does Jesus to this. This why He is called the Last Adam and the Second Man. With Him as the norm, everyone else is measured. This is why we need Him. This brings us to your question: " . . .. everyone is a child of God?" Without the nature of God within us, it is impossible to express His nature in a way that can be eternally acceptable, no matter how much we will it to be so. Hence, born from above (also called "born again") is crucial. Jesus becomes the elder brother of many "sons" of faith -- those who accept Him (John 1:12) -- to be made conformable to both sonships: a child, or son, of God as well as becoming all that we are meant to be as people. Since this is a recreation of the spirit, it must be by miracle -- an impossibility for natural man. Miracles require faith in Him and His word. It is a faith that fails us not because it forms us out of the supernatural life of God. This miracle is accomplished through sincere acceptance of His Word -- Jesus and Scripture. Your thoughts? * God pronounced him to be righteous because of his belief in this physical impossibility! His ultimate triumph is when he sets off with his son Isaac to offer him, he states that ". . . I, AND THE LAD, will go yonder to worship AND RETURN.(!!!!!!)" Gen. 22:5. He knew that even if Isaac should die, he must be resurrected in order to complete the earlier promise! He became the father of all who similarly take God at His word for We all are to believe in the Resurrection to be Abraham's spiritual sons. This is why the offering up of Isaac was so crucial -- a symbol of the real one to come. For, God spared Isaac but required Abraham to believe (by extension) in the One ultimately to die and resurrect, the One Isaac typifies! Without going this far, Abraham could not model the faith required of all believers -- faith in the One really raised from the dead. Do you see?? For this reason, he is the father of believers, as Paul states in Galatians. Stan