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To: Joseph Beltran who wrote (6361)	9/12/1998 12:08:00 PM
From: Ron Bower	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9980

Joseph, "This is probably not the appropriate forum to express this...." And you shouldn't have. JMO, Ron

To: Joseph Beltran who wrote (6361)	9/12/1998 12:46:00 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Respond to of 9980

Joseph, I agree that your last post is misplaced. How about copying it to one of the various Clinton threads? (do a search and you'll have plenty of them). This despite the fact that I agree with everything you said. Zeev

To: Joseph Beltran who wrote (6361)	9/12/1998 1:15:00 PM
From: Derrick P.	Respond to of 9980

1. does not release his findings with respect to whitewater, travel-gate, and file-gate after having spent 3 years and countless tax payer dollars investigating those events. Why? IMHO Starr is part of the coverup. But that's life. Derrick

To: Joseph Beltran who wrote (6361)	9/12/1998 8:14:00 PM
From: Stitch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9980

Joseph, OT <<But does that misconduct rise to the level of a "high crime and misdemeanor"? >> I concur with much of what you wrote. It is seductively simple to forgive and get on with the urgencies of the times. Yet there is a nagging voice in me that says, somehow, our chosen leaders must rise above the kind of conduct Clinton has engaged in and that we are, collectively, morally obligated to demand this in spite of the pain involved. <<The czars of ethics and moral conduct are going to crawl out of the woodwork now>> I am a czar of nothing, just a singular muse in a sea of second guessers. But you invite comment with your post so I will share my personal feelings on this subject. As I said I somehow wish the nation could reach for the position that Mrs. Clinton has taken. Simply that it is time to forgive and move on. But, of course, politics will not allow that. Opposition will make full use of the revelations of late and press full court for the political advantage it offers. I know this is going to prove costly, especially in a time of great need for leadership. But there is, in spite of my own weaknesses and follies, a part of me that says we must have a moral standard and that it must be preserved by those in whom we entrust it. If you stop and think about it, carefully, we have witnessed a tremendous decline in morals during our time. As we bounce from one publicized tragedy to another, we, somehow, suffer a loss as a society IMO. One does not have to be much of a student of history to know what happens in those societys that degenerate morally. I guess my own position on this whole sad matter is simply to have arrived at a question. Where do we draw the line? And in seeking that answer I am reminded of a quote: ""The thin and precarious crust of decency is all that separates any civilization, however impressive, from the hell of anarchy or systematic tyranny which lie in wait beneath the surface ." ALDOUS HUXLEY Best, Stitch