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Politics : THE STARR REPORT -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Impristine who wrote (581)	9/13/1998 9:47:00 AM
From: robnhood	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1533

Two views copied from kitco-------long but good IMHO-------- ( #1) Selby (A view of Bill from the land of Ice and Snow) ID#286230: canoe.ca (#2) Date: Sun Sep 13 1998 08:57 a.j. (Clinton--The Poor Sap-by an Arkansawyer) ID#257136: Copyright c 1998 a.j./Kitco Inc. All rights reserved I stole this from a forum based in Little Rock. No apologies are needed. It is definitely interesting! ( very long ) The President lied under oath in a Federal civil trial. The President lied to a Federal Grand Jury. The President lied to the American people. The President violated his oath of office. The President had a sexual relationship with a subordinate in the workplace. The President used government employees to unwittingly facilitate his cover up. The President knowingly allowed someone to file a false affidavit in a Federal court. These are felonies. Felonies definitely fall within the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors". We CAN impeach the President, in fact the Constitution leads us to do so. I believe that our forefathers would nod their heads and say get on with it. In actuality what the President did is to manipulate the flaccid minds of the American herd to think what he wanted them to think for his own benefit and used the levers of power to hide and facilitate that manipulation. Sounds very bad doesn't it. But lets look. Senator Byrd recently got up off of his ancient ass and made a frontal attack on the line-item veto. The reason for this was purportedly because the Constitutional separation of powers was being violated. The real reason of course was that he wanted to continue to steal approximately half of the Federal highway funds to take back to his own state in order to bribe his brain-dead pork-selfish constituents into allowing him to remain asleep at his desk in the senate for an additional 6 years. Is he not manipulating the brain-dead American people, is he not feeding the judicial system faked reasons to protect his nest. He will now sit in judgement of this poor sap of a President who was seeking to hide a dirty little fling. My dear Republicans are trying to have the bankruptcy laws changed. The purported reasons for this is to stop those awful abusers of the system. We must burn the village to save it. You may very well agree that the system is being abused. But do you think that is the real reason that it has such support in Congress despite the fact that bankruptcy judges hate it and are opposed to it? No, the reason is that the debt sellers have an army of lobbyists with handfuls of campaign cash with which they are bribing my dear Republicans with. Any other purported reason is merely a manipulation of our real and justified hatred of abuse in the system. Are not these representatives attempting to actually CHANGE our judicial system to benefit themselves, play off of our desire for an end to abuse to feather their own nests? These people will now sit in judgment of the poor sap of a President seeking to hide his silly little fling. Which is worse? In the recent campaign finance hearings the Democrats did everything in their power to prostitute themselves and hide the sources of their ill-gotten gains. They stood in the way at every turn, refusing to issue subpoenas, throwing monkey wrenches into the committee process, etc. The witnesses FLED THE COUNTRY, REFUSED TO HONOR SUBPOENAS, TOOK THE 5TH AMENDMENT, and "did not recall". They subverted our system, abused it, and manipulated our flaccid minds to protect their asses. They'll now sit in judgment of this sap of a President. My dear Republicans, after having made so much of campaign finance abuses by the Democrats, have stonewalled any attempt to do anything at all about it. They greatly enjoyed talking about it and shouting their outrage. Yet the fact is that they have recently earned more ill-gotten gains than the Democrats. They are less blatant about the bribes they take, and a little more circumspect about who they take it from, but they nonetheless have gotten more. And since they have gotten more, since there are more bribes available for those in the majority, they suddenly are unwilling to actually change this advantageous system. Is this hypocrisy not a manipulation, isn't it an abuse of power? Is it what the founding fathers wanted it to be or is it a subversion? They will now sit in judgment of this sap of a President. I can go on forever but need not. So what becomes of this sap of a President? Are we to be selectively outraged and kick him and his disfunctional family and his army of professional manipulators out on their asses? Do we expect that his replacement will suddenly make our government a bright and shining example to the world? No, his replacement is the same beast in a different husk, the same world view with a different army of spinners. I sit here tonight listening to the talking heads explaining how "pornographic" and "gross" the descriptions of the President's sexual activity and saying that they are "outraged". When in fact the sexual adventures of the President detailed in the report are pathetic. The idea that these things are "kinky" are laughable. The President refused to ejaculate during the majority of the encounters. The sexual activities described are not even close to the level of Dick Morris toe-sucking. Someone said that after reading it they thought that the President was "perverted". Nuts. The sexual activities listed are about as weak as you can get these days. We do not know the relationship between the President and his wife. There may be no relationship other than professional. They may have abandoned their marriage vows a long time ago. Adultery is not something we appreciate, but for all we know the President may be a single man except for public appearance sake. I cannot generate a high level of outrage for the sexual activity in the report. We know for a fact that the man didn't get drunk and drive her off of a bridge and leave her. He has that at least going for him. The report as a whole points out clearly the abuses that require an impeachment inquiry. But the narrative that goes along with it is a sad and somber thing. Its the story of how something so silly and ridiculous can turn into a living nightmare. How a silly girl and a lonely man with an ego can create an explosion. To bad William Faulkner wasn't arround to assist in the final draft. Today we do not tolerate sex between a man and a female in a subordinate work position. Political correctness does not allow this regardless of the level of consent. I have often thought that this was politically correct over reaction. I won't change my mind because this time its this sap of a President. She consented, in fact, the report shows that she actively pursued the relationship. She is a big girl and wanted it. I'm afraid I'll have to discount the politically correct sex with a coworker argument. It appears to me that the President is guilty of rationalization all along. He rationalized that he was telling the truth in certain instances. He rationalized that he was being smarter than his questioners. He rationalized that he was fooling people. He tried to finesse his way through a process that deals only in black and white. He thought he was a smart guy who could walk the legal tightrope. He made every bad mistake he could possibly make at every turn in this episode. Its no surprise though. This is what we have trained our politicians to be. We have created a political system and Bill Clinton is the perfect creation of that system. In order to survive in the political system we have created you must be Bill Clinton. Is Bill Clinton completely to blame for what we have created. We here in Arkansas must look very closely at ourselves because our system was the farm club for the creation of this perfect manipulator. And so now we must, as our Constitution provides for and our forefathers demand, begin to impeach this man who got caught. Like the Egyptians we must begin the process of chiseling off his name. I am so sad that we have to do this. I'm sad that we have to witness the spectacle of this sap being judged by a cadre of duly elected representatives who, to a man, have abused the system in their own special way. It has to be done because he got caught. But even so, I am allowing a small space for redemption. For me, after reading the report, it is still possible for this person to save himself and for once in his life rise above the swamp we have created. If he takes the opportunity I am willing to put aside all of this and allow him, finally, to try and be a President. It is possible for him to use his own downfall as the biggest bully pulpit that any President has ever had. I'll be honest. I don't think he will be able to do it. What it would require is that he admit what he is and what he has lived. It would require that he abandon all the pretense. It would require that he leave all the lawyers and all the spinners behind and step out on his own and show us that we are him and he is us and that he is determined to change if we are. Should he do such a thing in the well of the Senate before his assembled co-conspirators and a worldwide TV audience he would no longer need to search for his legacy. Today at the White House prayer breakfast I detected that he could be capable of such a thing. But later in the day the roaches crawled out into the light and started a new campaign of spinning, and weaving, and bobbing at his direction. So for now, we start on the path that the Constitution demands. I imagine he will survive and manage to limp painfully through two years and enjoy a historical footnote with Warren G. Harding after leaving a trail of damage like no other. It need not be this way if he will listen to what he himself read from "Gates of Redemption" this morning and not what David Kendall said this afternoon. Thats not going to happen is it? Rats.