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To: pz who wrote (20736)	9/14/1998 7:06:00 AM
From: Sam Ferguson	Respond to of 39621

Paul your warped religion makes a spiritual idiot out of you. You talk of me not needing Christ which is exactly the opposite of truth. I said I have no need for Jesus the man as as a savior. I have never said I didn't err and do things that are against The laws of God or nature. Thats just your way limited concept of the whole picture which your false religion has left you with. I am one with the father and because you cannot conceive that you put your own concepts on what that means. The Apostle Paul was one with God. Your bible tells you exactly that he sins or errs daily. Yet When Sam says the same you think it means something different. Steve trying to alibi slavery as part of God's rules is just a prime example of why most people accept the Christian way. They can claim that we don't know whats best but God does. I got news for both you and Steve. There is no free lunch with God's laws and injustice cannot be performed with the law of reciprocation nullified by a few words of I'm sorry. From you or Jesus. You are responsible for you and your thoughts and actions. Prayer to your inner self or God within is the only communication with God that can improve your situation. Praying to Jesus the man is a waste of time. Paul if you don't stop saying such lies about me and what I said I will start returning the favor by posting things untrue about what you said. If you want to quote me then refer to the message number. Let everyone have a fair shot at reading what I actually said instead of what you thought it meant. For example you mention having a date in a post. I post that you said you went out with whore and had mutual oral sex because I think that's what you meant by a date. Well I feel your lies about me and my knowledge of the Christ in me affect me with the same anger you would have. Or post Paul sure has an abnormal obsession with his niece. Is he a child molestor. I hope these examples will make you think before you state what I say and believe. Bet you never thought of the harm you cause by not thinking. For anyone misreading this: Paul in my honest opinion is a fine person and trying his best to live a good Christian life. I wish it were possible to be able to sit down and discuss this without the hostility it brings about.

To: pz who wrote (20736)	9/14/1998 9:20:00 AM
From: Sam Ferguson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

MOST persons can distinguish between right and wrong; but it is not so easy to decide why certain actions are right, and others the very reverse. According to orthodox Christianity, the sanction for right-doing is a conviction that our actions should accord with God's will, and that we should abstain from the performance of wrong acts through fear of punishment in some future existence. These are not the reasons for doing the right thing or avoiding the wrong. Apart from the difficulty of ascertaining what the will of God is (for it is nowhere definitely stated), the value of that will would consist in its nature. We should ask, Is it just or reasonable to think that obedience to that will would secure the happiness of the community? Is it not a fact that all that can be known of the supposed will of the Christian God is to be learnt from the Bible? But then it should be remembered that the many representations given of the Divine will in that book are not only contradictory, but they would, if acted upon, prove most dangerous to the well-being of society. For instance, it is there stated that it is God's will that we should take no thought for oar lives (Matt. vi. 25); that we should not lay up for ourselves treasures on earth (Matt. vi. 19); that we should resist not evil (Matt. v. 39); that we should set our affections on things above, not on things on the earth (Col. iii. 2); that we should love not the world (I John ii. 15); that if we offend in one point of the law, we are guilty of all (James ii. 10); that we are to obey not only good, but bad, masters (I Peter ii. 18); and that it is good morality to say, "What, therefore, God hath joined together, let no man put asunder" (Matt. xix. 6); that we should swear not at all (Matt. v. 34). that we cannot go to Christ except the Father draw us (John vi. 44); that we are to labor not for the meat which perisheth (John vi. 27); that we are to hate our own flesh and blood (Luke xiv. 26); that those who leave their families for the "Gospel's sake" shall be rewarded here and hereafter (Mark x. 29, 30); that men should believe a lie, that they all might be damned (2 Thess. ii. 11,12); that the world cannot be saved by any name except that of Christ Acts iv. 12); that salvation should be obtained through faith, and not of works (Ephes. ii. 8, 9); that the sick are to rely upon the "prayer of faith" to save them (James v. 15); that if any two Christians agree upon something, and send a supplication to heaven for that something, it shall be granted them (Matt. xviii. 19). Now, according to general experience, if we complied with the will of God, as here stated, society would not pronounce our actions as right, but they would be condemned as being hurtful to the society.