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To: Rick Julian who wrote (24908)9/14/1998 9:19:00 PM
From: Dayuhan  Respond to of 108807
 
Rick,

<<I'll post an excerpt from P.D.Ouspensky's "A New Model of the Universe">>

Have you actually read that thing from end to end? I admire your tenacity.

Steve



To: Rick Julian who wrote (24908)9/14/1998 11:35:00 PM
From: E  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 108807
 
Hate to do this to you, Rick, I hope it's not dirty pool; but I'm going to do some more typing here, and it's a description of just a few of Ouspensky's outlandish beliefs, as outlined by James Webb in his book The Harmonious Circle, The Lives and Work of G.I Gurdjieff, P.D. Ouspensky, and Their Followers, which my hubby happens to have in his library, and which I remembered browsing some time back. Webb is discussing the book to which you referred, The New Model:

[I have bolded certain striking sections. E.]

Quote (beginning on page 406):

...One frequent source of conflict was provided by Ouspensky's views on evolution. In The New Model he describes the universe as a "Great Laboratory." He believed devoutly in the inheritance of acquired characteristics and argued that certain forms of life had been created solely to develop a particular characteristic which was needed for the creation of the culminating life form-- man. Man was the prize exhibit in the laboratory, for he was nature's attempt to manufacture a self-evolving creature. Ouspensky followed a bizarre but common occult theory that animals are degenerated men--perhaps failed experiments.

He had some equally unorthodox ideas about personal evolution. Three categories of men were distinguished according to sexual behavior: men of supra-sex, infra-sex and normal sex. Humans afflicted by infra-sex were symptoms of race-degeneration; and among these Ouspensky included both the sex-obsessed and the sexually "abnormal" of any description....

His views on the sexually "abnormal" were unshakable... In answer to a question about homosexuality, he once replied that he knew very little about it, because it did not exist in Russia....


...Ouspensky [who believed that the ideal form of social organization was the caste system, as laid down by Hindu tradition-- E.] admitted that modern society offered no examples of "correct" division into castes. But "the most brilliant periods of history" occurred by accident when the social order approached the caste system yet still allowing some flexibility [like] "the beginning of the 20th century in Russia."...This is really an adaptation of his early presentiment that he belonged to "a new race of men."

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Rick, you're obviously going to have a hard row to hoe, trying to be persuasive, from my point of view, with argument deriving from the thought of Ouspensky, a person so unperspicacious that he seriously believed that there was no homosexuality in Russia!