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Politics : RE-ELECT CLINTON- IMPEACH REPUBLICANS IN NOVEMBER -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Henry Volquardsen who wrote (14)	9/16/1998 12:32:00 PM
From: JakeStraw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 157

From the law offices of Johnnie Cochran, Esq., the top ten proposed closing statements in the matter of United States v. William J. Clinton: 10. If the dress ain't a mess, he don't need to confess 9. The economy's great, let the white boy skate 8. If the bitch didn't spit, you must acquit 7. If she's not spread-eagle then it's not illegal 6. Lewinsky's a whore, but Bill's better than Gore 5. So he lied to the masses, he was just savin' some asses 4. Sure he cheats on his wife, but that's his personal life 3. Bill can't tell the truth 'til he sees Ken Starr's proof 2. Bill isn't sleazy, Monica's easy 1. If the sex is just oral, then it ain't immoral

To: Henry Volquardsen who wrote (14)	9/21/1998 5:17:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 157

Henry, You know my opinion about this insane Monicagate (I put it on the World War III thread in the Coffee Shop...) so I can't let you go on with words like "perjury", "violating the law", etc... This whole thing is not just a "sex scandal"! It's about the *foreign policy* initiated by President Clinton. His actions on the international scene, along with his freewheeling attitude that comes from his reelection has become a real threat to many vested worldwide interests re: the Middle East, Central Africa,... If I may make a suggestion to President Clinton --and to the American people as well-- I'd strongly recommend him to read Memoirs of Hadrian by French writer Margueritte Yourcenar: acommonreader.com What a great Roman Emperor William Clinton would have been! In those remote times, the Emperor's sexual affairs wouldn't trigger such a public hystery... Romans considered them as part of the usual imperial fabric: emperors used to fool around with boys and girls... and that was it! Unfortunately, we are no longer in 110 A.D. and Clinton's not a Caesar, successor of Emperor Hadrian. Now, if Americans would mind, from time to time, looking beyond their borders to see what's going on in other countries, they'd be more tolerant to Clinton's (private) behavior. I live in Belgium, hence I could tell you about our domestic Dutroux scandal involving a high-flying pedophile ring... But how about taking a look at Australia (sorry Damien ;o)? Here's a really disgraceful sex story: Thursday, March 20, 1997 Police to investigate pedophile allegations By DAVID PASSEY Child sexual abuse allegations against two State MPs, two sitting judges and a prominent businessman would be investigated by police, the Assistant Police Commissioner, Mr Clive Small, said yesterday. The allegations were put to Mr Small by Labor MLC Mrs Franca Arena yesterday after she warned she might name the alleged prominent pedophiles under parliamentary privilege. "Allegations of a criminal nature are to be assessed and will be investigated," Mr Small said. "It is correct to say that some of the matters raised require investigation." After her meeting with Mr Small, Mrs Arena reiterated her warning. "If these allegations turn into evidence and are not properly acted upon, yes, I will name these people before the NSW Parliament," she said. But Mrs Arena said she would wait to see the outcome of the police inquiries and the final Police Royal Commission report on pedophiles, due to be handed down in June, before she considered action in the Parliament. She says she has been given "substantial evidence" by "about 12" witnesses and victims, some of whom claim they put their complaints to the royal commission but that they were not acted upon. The witnesses allege they made complaints to the commission about: Two serving MPs; Two sitting judges; A pedophile who adopted a 12-year-old boy and abused him for several years; and a member of a prominent Sydney family allegedly involved in a pedophile ring that murdered a boy 15 years ago. Mrs Arena has been at the forefront of allegations that members of high-profile professions, including politics and the law, have been shielded from investigations into pedophilia. She caused a furore when she named the former Supreme Court judge Mr David Yeldham in Parliament last November as a man under investigation by the royal commission for possible pedophile activities. Mr Yeldham committed suicide days later. Since her meeting with Mr Small, Mrs Arena said, another person had come to her with allegations of pedophile activity and claims of difficulty getting a fair investigation. The Police Commissioner, Mr Ryan, met Mr Small soon after the meeting with Mrs Arena but would make no public comment. He had earlier tried to reassure people that there would be no "witch hunt". "What I don't want the police to be involved in is any kind of fishing expedition," Mr Ryan said. "We need evidence and proof before we can launch an investigation and if that is provided, we will investigate it thoroughly ... but there will be no witch-hunt." Mrs Arena said she had also presented Mr Small with allegations of pedophile activity by non-prominent people and claims that these, too, had not been investigated properly. It had been difficult to focus attention on allegations against less prominent people, she said. "I'm saddened that the media seem interested only in prominent people," Mrs Arena said. "The effect of pedophilia is the same whether or not it is done by a prominent person. "Everyone seems to be titillated if the pedophile is a judge or an MP, but the victims of all pedophiles feel the terrible consequences of the behaviour just the same." This material is subject to copyright and any unauthorised use, copying or mirroring is prohibited. direct link: smh.com.au As you can see, when compared to this horrible pedophile scandal, the Monicagate looks more like a TV cartoon for preteens... Regards, Gustave.