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To: ToySoldier who wrote (3843)	9/16/1998 12:34:00 PM
From: Don Hurst	Respond to of 8218

Toy, thanks for the explanation. Now I know why I did not know what it meant. My tech buzzword ego remains intact. Regards, Don

To: ToySoldier who wrote (3843)	9/17/1998 3:34:00 PM
From: David Harker	Respond to of 8218

"Corba & San Fran" (skip if not OO SW person) CORBA (as a spec) is over-kill for many applications. Remember IBM's SOM and DSOM products? Probably not - they were 'Corba-Compliant' and were extremely difficult to create and get working, and the products were too complex to sell, they did poorly. San Fran started as a SOM-based project, 3 years ago, but the rise of Java quickly caused us to switch to it, 2 years ago. That switch to Java basically killed SOM within IBM, no one else wanted it, in spite of lots of great programming in it (the CORBA spec is too complex, very few programmer's want/need/understand all that stuff, so we couldn't sell it). Since no Corba-compliant Java software existed 2 years ago, we wrote the object services we needed (the typical persistence, naming, security, transactions, collections, etc) in a very pragmatic fashion, making them do what we needed done, in many ways very similar to CORBA, but focussed on real-world needs, not specs. Many former SOM/DSOM developers are now San Fran developers, so there is a wealth of 'object services' expertise in this group.