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To: mark silvers who wrote (1089)	9/17/1998 9:09:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1542

Dear Mark (from Nancy), Isn't this an avoidance of personal responsibility again. The woman makes me lose my control so she must change to make me better. The problem is in the mans lack of self control. In the Genesis account Adam blamed God and the woman for his mistake. "The woman YOU gave me made me eat of it" There you have it.:0) Nancy

To: mark silvers who wrote (1089)	9/17/1998 11:01:00 AM
From: one_less	Respond to of 1542

<<In western society, we seem to have come up with a morality code that says it is wrong to dispaly sexuality>> I don't know where you get that. It is perfectly OK to walk down the street with only minimal coverage of genitals. You can be swaggering and cussing and be all over your boyfriend/girlfriend. I would be surprised if passers by even turn there head and notices. On the other hand try praying in public. Mahmoud Abdul Ruaf a Denver Nuggets basketball player prayed for justice (an American Ideal) during the national anthem. His public guantlet didn't end until he was out of Denver. Of Course Many Football and BB players have been busted for drugs, violence and sex crimes. There still playing because boys will be boys after all. You are quite right if men can't handle looking at womens sexuality on the street they shouldn't look. I totally agree and I think I made that point earlier. At the same time in the west there has become a double standard because every body is threatened by law suits of discrimination and harrassment. So the responsiblility for decency has been put all on men. Muslims don't consider that respectful of womens rights and responsibilities. We don't see any equality in it. We see the pretense of superiority because men are responsible but women are not, and they are afraid of women. What a paradox. In the mean time every public sector has harrassment issues they are trying to sort out. I agree with you about the styles generally presented being old fashioned. So what. I also made the point that there are new fashions that are modest, respectful, non-sexually attractive and appropriate for the Muslim dress code. Bottom line is, if you want a woman you are married to attracting sexual admiration from strangers, I have nothing to say about it. I don't beleive anyone has the right to a womans sexuality unless she gives it to them. A public display of sexuality is just that. The Western conscience is currently in denial of this. I think you probably call that progressive. The Muslim dress code discourages it, and there is no arguement about it. The Muslim scriptures have never been "updated." That's because we don't believe in rewriting God's word to make it more appealing or acceptable to each generation.