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To: Tony Viola who wrote (64996)	9/17/1998 12:24:00 PM
From: Paul Engel	Respond to of 186894

Tony - Re: " The self fulfilling prophecy of NT swarming all over UNIX, and eating into it, looks less like an inevitability and more like a happening every day." I think NT will do as you say in the Workstation Tools area. However, for servers, UNIX seems to be a better, more reliable and robust OS for most big-time installations. Unix will continue to command the high end there, while NT eats its way up from the bottom. In fact, Intel is pushing UNIX at the IDF. Paul {=================================} news.com Intel pushing unified Unix By Brooke Crothers Staff Writer, CNET News.com September 16, 1998, 8:25 p.m. PT Intel will work toward establishing common standards among different versions of the Unix operating system, a critical requirement as the company lays the groundwork for its high-end server and next-generation 64-bit Merced technologies. In the creation of a "unified Unix," Intel will work with Compaq, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Sun Microsystems, and SCO, among other companies. The effort indicates that Unix continues to play a critical role in the high-end corporate "enterprise" market, an area where Microsoft is still playing catch-up in many respects. The software giant has been pushing its Windows NT operating system for this lucrative segment. Today at the Intel Developer Forum, John Miner, Intel vice president and general manager of the Enterprise Server Group, talked about a strategy aimed at "accelerating the deployment of Unix on Intel-based servers as an important element in the growth of the standard high-volume server model." Intel's standard high-volume server (SHVS) strategy aims to standardize server-related technologies, which, ideally, drives down costs. "Intel is joining forces with leading Unix OS vendors and peripheral hardware manufacturers on a mission to overcome the current interoperability challenges faced by companies delivering devices to the Unix market," Intel said in a prepared statement. The initiative is specifically focused on drivers, the software that enables a computer to work with a particular device, such as a printer or a disk drive. This particular standard which Intel is crafting along with the other major computer players is called Uniform Driver Interface (UDI) specification. Intel said: "The goal of this effort is to create an environment where vendors can create and maintain a single-device driver implementation that will work across multiple versions of Unix on [Intel architecture], thus reducing development costs and enabling developers to focus on more valuable product features." "Intel plans to contribute knowledge of Intel system interfaces and initiatives, as well as devote engineering resources to work with Project UDI to complete a...design of the UDI framework and common device drivers," the company said. Apparently, the idea is not new to Intel. According to Oracle's Larry Ellison, now-retired CEO Andy Grove was the driving force behind earlier efforts to amalgamate Unix operating system variants into a single version. Grove was involved in these efforts as recently as two years ago, News.com previously reported. Grove was motivated by his desire to avoid relying on Microsoft, Ellison said, but the plan failed because the major players like IBM and Sun did not want to give up the competitive advantage of being able to sell their own "flavor" of Unix. In his view, a unified Unix did came about because it was not a matter of "life and death" for the key players. Ellison, of course, has been a outspoken foe of Microsoft. Intel is an investor in CNET: The Computer Network. Tech Talk... Join the discussion! Go to Front Door \| Computing \| Search Short takes \| All the Headlines Latest Headlines display on desktop The Net Netscape, Qwest in Internet pact House committee considers CDA II Banks to Jupiter: Back at you Computing NCI wins set-top deal Motorola halts copper chip plant HP's Platt sees job cuts coming Compaq makes moves in Germany Intel pushing unified Unix Intergraph asks for Intel ruling Intel aims Celeron at notebooks Roadblocks in the fast lane V.90 modem standard approved Motorola sues two modem makers Intranets Alcatel, Ascend in networking deal Netscape tests server, R/3 bundle Business Stock markets plunge SEC advises online brokerages Case chose IE due to Windows Yahoo Online looking for partners Microsoft renews bid for exclusion Miss a day? All the Headlines search News.com FREE newsletter sample Where to shop Advertiser links Unbeatable software deals at Cyberian Outpost Bid on computer products at Surplus Mega Auction Need it? Get it now! Software at BuyDirect.com Get computer bargains at Surplus Direct Save on computer books at Borders.com Special Offer: 3.9% F

To: Tony Viola who wrote (64996)	9/17/1998 12:31:00 PM
From: Scumbria	Respond to of 186894

UNIX is probably still king for EDA. It's reduced to a Jack for ME CAD, though, because of NT inroads. The self fulfilling prophecy of NT swarming all over UNIX, and eating into it, looks less like an inevitability and more like a happening every day. Tony, I agree with your first sentence. Any microprocessor design house which switched over to NT would be out of business in 12 months. NT is not in the same league with UNIX. Can you name a single CPU or graphics hardware design company running on NT? Probably not. NT does not have the stability, security, or command line interface (scripts, pipes, filters, etc.) necessary for a complicated, automated tool flow on a large database. I work in a hybrid NT/Solaris environment and am reminded on a daily basis of the serious shortcomings with NT. Until Microsoft adds a serious "Command Prompt" feature to NT, they have no chance to replace UNIX. Sun is having a very good year. Any guesses why? biz.yahoo.com Scumbria