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Politics : Should Clinton resign? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: mrknowitall who wrote (456)	9/20/1998 9:04:00 AM
From: Daniel Schuh	Respond to of 567

Ok, Mr. Know-it-all. More cheesy high school debate tricks, always a welcome pleasure. I never said "It doesn't matter what Bill Clinton does because . . .", or anything like that. I don't think that Bill Clinton's silly sexual transgressions, or the various things he did to cover them up in the course of the legal hounding by right-wing hate mongers over the past 4 years, constitute an impeachable offense. Is that clear enough for you, Mr. Know-it-all? Do I need to use smaller words? How does my "debate style" compare with the Limbot squads of anonymous posters hanging around here? You got nerve talking about "meaningful debate", having uttered such pompous self-serving lines as Long-standing American values and those that held them have been systematically trashed by the President and the people he surrounds himself with. and To me, that's as fundamentally repugnant as saying all Germans were Nazis or that all white people are racists. Very meaningful those, in the cheesy high school debate trick department. How does Clinton's trashing of "Long-standing American values" compare with Henry Hyde's five-year affair, that broke up somebody else's family? Of course, that one has to be investigated by the FBI, to see who dug it up, maybe it can be tied to Clinton too. Maybe the idea of Clinton to come made Newt serve his first wife divorce papers on her hospital bed. You, Hyde, Newt, and Tom Delay all seem to be kindred spirits in the hypocritical moral lecturing school. Or maybe Hyde and Newt are just examples of the "long standing American values" you hold dear. For the life of me, I can't see how you can judge Clinton independently of the means by which the evidence against him was gathered, or the ridiculous method it's being broadcast to the nation, all in the guise of Ken Starr's "secret" grand jury investigation. As to Nixon and Reagan, Watergate and Iran/Contra, nothing like the Ken Starr investigation went on there, and it is offensive to even suggest that. Many of the Nixon tapes still aren't public. And George Bush sure as hell perjured himself in the course of Iran/Contra - he was "out of the loop". Serious issues were at stake there. What serious issues are at stake here, except for getting Clinton by any means possible? As for next cheesy debate trick red herring of would I complain if this had happened to Nixon or Reagan, yes I would have. Not that it matters, there was plenty of evidence against both available using far less offensive "investigative" tactics. Of course, Reagan got away with Iran/Contra, including his proud boasting about ignoring the Boland amendment, because nobody wanted to go through another Watergate. Talk about double standards. But I'm sure, you the objective one can't see any irony in that.

To: mrknowitall who wrote (456)	9/20/1998 9:20:00 AM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 567

Hey Mr. Meaningful Debate-I see you've contributed another post to go with my two favorite previous examples: The reason no one hears them is that the media-driven-gossip and irrelevant and misleading rantings of the left are taking up almost all of the available bandwidth. (from siliconinvestor.com Taking up almost all of the available bandwidth? With the many hours of "secret" videotaped testimony coming our way today? Plus the endless leakage of "secret" grand jury testimony over the past 4 years? What a meaningful statement, even better than your previous goodies Long-standing American values and those that held them have been systematically trashed by the President and the people he surrounds himself with. and To me, that's as fundamentally repugnant as saying all Germans were Nazis or that all white people are racists. You're quite a piece of work. A perfect example of those long-standing American values, I'd say, a light upon our Christian Nation.