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Politics : Should Clinton resign? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: mrknowitall who wrote (480)	9/20/1998 11:27:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Respond to of 567

Wow, talk about cheesy. You blatantly, and now I see purposefully, accused EVERYONE in the Republican side of the House of outright dishonesty. This is can only be because you have no facts - only generalizations and innuendo, which, in your "style" of discussion, means you must personally attack and smear your opponent without regard to the subject in question. I had hoped for better and have seen much more lucid arguments from people "on your side." I asked for an honest voice on the Republican side. Someone willing to admit in public that there's been some excess on the part of Ken Starr's "secret" grand jury probe too, perhaps. I have no qualms about "smearing" Newt, because, well, as long as I've watched him in action he's had no qualms about smearing anyone else, if it fits his partisan ends. Jim Wright resigned, after long attacks by Newt, over some stupid $50k book deal, but the moment Newt took the Speaker's office he cut a multimillion dollar book deal with Rupert Murdoch. These are facts, or do you dispute them? Do you consider this "innuendo"? Personally, I consider it a "pattern of behavior", but that's just me. I don't say that all Republicans are dishonest. I think honest Republicans are out there somewhere but they sure won't be heard while Newt's running things. That would be a violation of party unity, a good non-partisan value. Back to the Honest Republican bit, which you immediately turned into the timeless computer network Nazi slur. What I wrote, in full context was: It's hard to defend Clinton, he's an embarrassment. But this has been a partisan witchhunt from the start. From the moment Jesse Helms and Lauch Faircloth went to see the judge they had gotten appointed and told him who they wanted for special prosecutor. If somebody gives me some indication of politicians of any stripe taking this "I swear to tell the truth" business seriously, I'll start taking this particular instance of "perjury" seriously. If this is a high crime, we may as well abolish the office. I'd say Bill Clinton was justified in considering the whole thing political, and acting accordingly. You find me an honest voice on the other side, I'll reconsider. I almost was going kill this post and admit I was wrong here. But then, I see what I actually said was If somebody gives me some indication of politicians of any stripe taking this "I swear to tell the truth" business seriously, I'll start taking this particular instance of "perjury" seriously. Politicians of any stripe. Get it? Yes, they lie. They lie under oath, if they think they have to. Mr. Know-it-all in the cheesy debate department turned this into: Dan, "You find me an honest voice on the other side, I'll reconsider." You smear too much with that broad a brush - I personally resent the generalization you're making that all of the opposition is cut of the same cloth as Mr. Clinton. To me, that's as fundamentally repugnant as saying all Germans were Nazis or that all white people are racists. It is a weak point from which to engage in a substantive debate. Mr. K. A bit selective in the context department, eh? But, I'm the ranter, and you're the substantive debater. I never brought the Nazis into it, long time netheads recognize that as the sign of a flame war out of control. You brought it in at a fairly early stage. But I'm the bellicose and rude one. Ok, enough. I'll leave this august forum to the non-partisan, objective crowd who believe that Rush and Newt speak the TRUTH. Enjoy the next few days, a high point in the history of our Christian Nation is upon us. Lots of stones about to be cast by the sinless Republicans, I wager. Cheers, Dan.