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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (4083)	9/20/1998 10:46:00 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Gee, I had to look twice to make sure I wasn't reading a post by that mean Newt Gingrich. Throwing elderly out on the streets smacks of Newtism, don't you think? Shall I start (continue) calling you a hypocrite?

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (4083)	9/20/1998 11:03:00 PM
From: mrknowitall	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Michelle - "those people that dont need to be next door to Oracle should move out. Thats the free mkt." I'd laugh if I didn't think you were serious. Do you see how ridiculous that is? You're more dangerous than I thought! Wow. Mr. K.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (4083)	9/21/1998 12:05:00 AM
From: Zeuspaul	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

>> What should happen? Prices should go up, property taxes should go up, those people that dont need to be next door to Oracle should move out. Thats the free mkt.<< If I buy a house for $50,000 and tomorrow the house is worth $500,000 why should my property taxes go up? It's the same house in the same neighborhood with the same government services. I should not be bounced out of my home because some high tech firm moves in next door and pays high wages or gives out stock options. There is a free market for houses that are for sale. No one should consider someone's personal property free market while the property is not for sale. Do you suggest taxing all appreciated property before it is sold? Should the government tax your appreciated stock before you sell it? I can't get too excited about the wealthy and their housing problems. Why should the 95 percent of the population that is not wealthy pay for the housing dilemma of the rich? There was overwhelming support for proposition 13 from homeowners, both democratic and republican. The homeowners wanted to fight against exactly what you want to implement. I do not believe that forcing a few homeowners out of their homes will have a significant affect on your housing shortage. You need to build more houses. If there is no more room to build new houses than you have a problem that changing the tax law will not cure. If not taking someone's home away from them is social engineering then bring on the social engineers. Good buy American Dream, I suppose next you want to take away my car and put me in a bus. Fiercely Independent..Keep the government away from my home..find something else to tax. Zeuspaul

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (4083)	9/21/1998 12:23:00 AM
From: Lady Lurksalot	Respond to of 67261

Michelle, I have been lurking on this and other Clinton threads for a while now. I have taken into consideration the sentiments stated in your posts and thought them to be well reasoned and well stated, albeit somewhat lacking in substantiation by documentable historical fact. That said, as a fellow Northern Californian and a very, VERY long-time California resident who walked through endless citrus and avocado groves and past working dairy farms to attend school in a Southern California city now populated by highrises and shopping malls, I am compelled to draw the line at your highly subjective take on Proposition 13. I do not necessarily wish to enter into a debate of Proposition 13 or a debate of the merits and/or liabilities of the AARP members among us, but I will state that there is an alternative here, that being that the powers that be in the Grand and Beautiful State of California limit spending to reasonable means--by necessity--as do most of its residents. More simply stated, you cannot have more people riding the wagon than pulling it. Californians are being taxed to death and into poverty via some very cunning and obscure and not so obscure legislation. It is not good for us Californians to draw lines and pit ourselves against one another, for the results of such action can work only to our collective detriment. As an aside, I noticed that you posted on the Boink thread that it was the "zany" thread. I must say here that, sadly, the Boink thread has not been intentionally zany for quite some time now. Regards, Holly

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (4083)	9/21/1998 2:16:00 AM
From: Hiram Walker	Respond to of 67261

Michelle, you are describing what a generation as big as the Baby Boomers can do to change society. They caused the appreciation of houses in the early 80's by the sheer magnitude of their numbers. They have caused the stock market appreciation by the weight of their massive investments in the 80's and 90's. When the Boomer generation gets ready to retire, guess whose going to be taking care of this extremely wealthy and lucky generation? the generation behind them. Just like Japan a decade ago, this aging of a society has many ramifications. Hiram