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To: Johnathan C. Doe who wrote (4840)	9/22/1998 11:17:00 PM
From: alan w	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

I stand for family values. alan w

To: Johnathan C. Doe who wrote (4840)	9/22/1998 11:23:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Family values is against single professional women having children without being married as a deliberate choice.

To: Johnathan C. Doe who wrote (4840)	9/22/1998 11:49:00 PM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

do you have a problem with the Christian Coalition or Focus on the Family? I may not be technically Evangelical, but these are clearly my brethren, and I'm definitely a fundamentalist Christian. Perhaps you aren't aware of what differentiates an Evangelical and a Fundamentalist; where they have similarities, and where they differ. As for your laundry list of "issues", I am for the most part in favor of the things you list. Gays don't need special privileges above what is granted to straight people. Marriage is an institution between male and female partners, PERIOD. That is unchangeable, and not subject to barter, watering down, etc. The gays would want to force the religious world to "accept" their lifestyle as in being no longer wrong, when in fact this is a religious issue. Why don't you liberals spend your time forcing Jews to eat non-kosher food? In your mind probably, people of the Jewish faith discriminate against non-kosher food producers because they don't personally and religiously approve of partaking of what they produce. >and the school can promote Christian focus from plays, music, etc. Ah, my fourth grade teacher taught her class to sing "Silent Night" in German, which we sang for the school during a day-time Christmas program. Are you opposed to such things? Would you be in favor of legal action against a school which allowed such things? If so, Johnathan, then I place you in the camp of the opposition, to be resisted forever and ever. The founding Fathers clearly made NO BANS against religious-related activities within state institutions in the Constitution (look for the phrase "separation of church and state" in the Consitution and the Bill of Rights; you won't find it): The 1st Amendment simply says that the Federal Government shall make no law with respect to "Establishing" an [official] Religion, such as for example in the Socially Liberal countries of Sweden and Finland, there is an official State Church, which is Lutheran, and State Lutheran Ministers must be present at religious ceremonies such as Holy Communion, Marriages, etc. My church has made a concerted effort (pretty successful) in keeping politics out of the pulpit, and in general out of conversation on Sunday. Actually people used to discuss politics a bit more than they do now, but nowdays it's clear to all in my church that Clinton is so far out there in the camp of the opposition that there is nothing more to discuss. I wouldn't know if Hillary is a bitch or not, but I'm still waiting for her to go back on a talk show and make things right, since it's clear that a VRWC was not behind Starr's suspicion that Bill Clinton just might have lied under oath. Dobson? I like him. He's a warm, loving father who actually works very hard trying to improve relations within families.

To: Johnathan C. Doe who wrote (4840)	9/23/1998 12:10:00 AM
From: jpmac	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Great post. I was just discussing the difference in today's Republican party with my mother, she a lifetime republican. Like many, she and my father's primary interest in the party were it's fiscal policies and belief in small govt. Neither of them are pleased with the turn it has taken in the last few years as the propopents of the "family values" you outline have taken seeming control of it. The Democratic party has returned to the center to some degree, but for the most part it leaves them feeling alienated from the Republicans and wondering where to look for candidates. Now in their 70's, they are talking of voting for a democrat for the first time. Take into account that this a deep southern state where there isn't all that much difference, but there is some.