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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: jbe who wrote (6746)9/23/1998 1:23:00 AM
From: Rick Slemmer  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13994
 
It seems to me that most of the objections to Clinton you have listed fall into the category of policy, rather than into the category of morals and/or ethics.

Well, it started that way, until his selfish behavior seemed to take precedence over his presidential, and before that, his gubernatorial duties.

...I was concerned about all the people out there who were not covered through their place of employment, and for whom medical coverage could be prohibitively expensive (especially if they had pre-existing conditions).

Yes, I, too, am concerned about the medical coverage for accidents and trauma of those not covered by corporate umbrella policies. But I intensely disliked the prospect of being lumped into a single national entity where my doctor had no choice but to administer care under governmental guidelines. I thought a simple "group insurance for those without a group" was a viable alternative. As a side note, I traveled quite a bit, and I couldn't find anything in Hillary's plan that allowed me to seek medical attention in Albuquerque or Athens if I sustained a broken leg on a road trip. Presumably I was to phone my doctor and get permission to see a local medic. Across a dozen time zones, that scenario would have been unreasonable and dangerous.

Lying about the Iran-Contra affair, however, was something else altogether: here, if we had cared to pursue the matter, we might have had an impeachable offense.

Yup; lying about anything under oath, unless there is clearly a national security issue at stake, should be grounds for impeachment. Don't forget that impeachment is simply a way for the accused to get a trial before the Senate. It is not an automatic removal from office.

Consequently, they will never go along with a Dump Clinton movement, as long as, or insofar as, they feel it is motivated primarily by a desire to effect a radical change in this country's political course.

I agree. Those who have their own interests (environmental, women's right to choose abortion, gays in the forces, union strength) will protect the President because he says he is for those things, too. As long as their special interests are perceived as being served, most people affected will disregard or minimize any accusations against the political leader who embodies those interests. It's a preservation of the common ideals.

I am not trying to be confrontational here.

I know; nor am I.

I am only trying to explain why you may find it hard to convince anyone who is pro-Clinton or sitting on the fence right now that the President should be impeached. Many people do not trust the motives of the "organized opposition."

Granted. I don't necessarily want to change anyone's mind, but I do want them to see the full record of the person they are protecting and defending. After they've seen the implications of Filegate and EO 13083 and still think he's worthy of their support, I just have to accept their viewpoint. But it must be an educated choice and not simply a backlash against a so-called "witchhunt into the President's private sex life."

Let me add that the constant jeering at "Clinton groupies," "liberals," "fags," "feminists," "welfare bums," etc., etc., doesn't help the cause of impeachment either. You can't persuade people by insulting them.

In fact, it only polarizes the targets of such taunts by bringing an otherwise civil discussion down to a personal level. It serves no practical purpose.

RS