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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: jlallen who wrote (5414)	9/25/1998 9:26:00 PM
From: Who, me?	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Where do you find the top 10 stories bar? Isn't it interesting that MSNBC polls don't reflect the Clinton News Network (CNN) polls? Can't wait for Nov. 3rd....the real poll!

To: jlallen who wrote (5414)	9/25/1998 10:28:00 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Those are AMAZING numbers. It goes to show those more educated on the issues (meaning those who watch MSNBC) are more likely to want Clinton out.

To: jlallen who wrote (5414)	9/25/1998 10:28:00 PM
From: cool	Respond to of 67261

say jla wasn't that a web poll? not random, interview based poll. FALLOUT FROM THE SCANDAL What we are witnessing here is a relentless campaign by the conservative wing of our political culture-both inside and outside the government-to hound the president out of office by extra-constitutional means, including the use of a global media frenzy. It seeks to overturn the results of a democratic election the president won with the support of the women of America. We are in the midst of a process that seriously threatens the integrity of our system of government, particularly the office of the presidency and our democratic elections. If we allow this process to continue, the interests of women in particular will be buried in the muck for generations to come. Let us be clear — Clinton is not the only guilty party. Neither president, nor independent prosecutor, nor Congress, nor the media has acted well. It is demeaning to all of us and to our nation. If we allow this process to continue, the interests of women in particular will be buried in the muck for generations to come. To those who ask what about sexual harassment, about respectful treatment of women in the workforce, we say this: We care deeply about eradicating sexual harassment. We've been fighting the battle against it for decades, and we will be for decades to come. We will not be silenced by disingenuous grandstanding on this important issue at this moment for immediate political gain, while behind this smokescreen opponents of women's rights are actively cutting back our right to choice, and refusing to deal with child care, pay equity, violence against women and campaign finance reform. STOP THE GRANDSTANDING Clinton's conduct in the Monica Lewinsky relationship was not sexual harassment under the law. Whether or not there was sexual harassment in the Paula Jones case is being determined in the proper forum, namely the courts. The solution now is to transform the Congress by voting in November for those women and men who truly and consistently support our causes. If we are turned off, then we must turn out. Women must vote. We have several recommendations to make, and we call upon all who share our concerns to join us. We are not calling for impeachment of the president, and we insist that he not be hounded into resignation. We call upon the House Judiciary Committee to begin now to act in a fair, judicious and non-partisan manner. The decision-making process should not be held hostage in hopes of electoral gains in November. Government must get on with the business of governing. We demand that legislators turn their attention to the issues of concern to women, including child care, the end of violence against women, pay equity, education, and campaign finance reform. Finally, we call upon the women of America to exercise the enormous power we hold in our democracy. If we are turned off, then we must turn out. Women must vote. We must elect federal and state legislators who support our policies. Only then can we hold the line on the conservative plundering of women's rights.

To: jlallen who wrote (5414)	9/26/1998 1:56:00 AM
From: jbe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

jlallen, note that the MSNBC poll you cite has two sets of results. The bar graphs reflect the results of a September 21 NBC poll of some 500 randomly selected citizens. Then those same questions were asked of the folks who frequent the MSNBC site. The numbers are much larger (over 30,000 people responded); but, on the other hand, the respondents were not scientifically "selected." Interestingly, on most key questions, the "randomly selected" respondents diverged sharply from what I will call the "self-selected volunteers". For example (using abbreviations "rs" and "ssv"): Can Clinton continue to lead the country? Yes RS: 62 SSV: 36 No RS: 35 SSV: 60 What to do? a) Begin impeachment process RS: 29 SSV: 62 b) Censure RS: 31 SSV: 20 c) Drop the matter RS: 36 SSV: 18 MSNBC also published the results of a New York Times/CBS News poll of randomly selected respondents conducted Sept. 21-22, which are more in less in line with the NBC poll of randomly selected respondents. For example, when asked whether Clinton should remain in office or resign (the only two alternatives offered), 69% opted for his remaining in office; 28% called on him to resign. Interestingly enough, a sizeable proportion - 39% - of registered Republicans felt that their party was unfairly trying to weaken the President (as opposed to 65% of all respondents). At the same time, MSNBC points out that the Republicans are paying more attention to polls of those people who are more likely to actually VOTE in upcoming elections. First of all, the more likely voters prefer Republican candidates over Democratic ones, by a margin of 50% to 41%. And where Clinton is concerned, slightly more support the impeachment option (39%) than support censure (29%), or dropping the matter (31%). What can we conclude from all these differently constructed polls? My own conclusion is that a minority supports dumping the President, whether through impeachment or resignation. But it is a determined minority, and more likely to vote than the more laid-back majority. Since determined minorities tend to win, I think they will win here as well, although I personally have serious doubts about the wisdom of this course. jbe