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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Dwight E. Karlsen who wrote (7081)	9/26/1998 8:35:00 PM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 13994

Hi Dwight E. Karlsen; The drudge report says that the New York Post interviewed Gracen, and that she told them about what she suspects was White House black bag operations. So as to remind those who would continue to support this sad administration I give here some links and stuff concerning that and the K. Willey black bag operation: W A S H I N G T O N, June 17 In the weeks before Kathleen Willey testified that President Clinton had made an unwanted sexual advance, she says that “someone” was trying to scare her. The tires on her car were mysteriously punctured with dozens of nails, the cat she had for many years suddenly disappeared. Then, just days before she testified in the Paula Jones lawsuit in early January, Willey was out jogging near her home. <Picture>Kathleen Willey said "someone" was trying to scare her. (AP Photo) According to sources familiar with her account, a stranger approached her. The sources say Willey claims that even though she had never met him before, the man knew what had happened at her home and that he asked her if the tires had been fixed and if the cat had been found. He also apparently asked about her children by name, say the sources. The man then allegedly asked Willey, “Don't you get the message?” He then jogged off. abcnews.com MISS ARKANSAS Deposition thuggery... Elizabeth Ward Gracen finally admitted to having sex with Clinton. Here is an excerpt from the Seattle Times archive of March 31, 1998: Woman tells of sex with Clinton by Helen Kennedy New York Daily News A former Miss America whose testimony is sought in the Paula Jones sexual-harassment suit against the president has told the New York Daily News she had sex with Bill Clinton when he was governor of Arkansas, but she insisted it was consensual. Elizabeth Ward Gracen - who previously denied any liaison with Clinton - said she came forward to rebut allegations that Clinton forced himself on her. archives.seattletimes.com In an interview on Canadian TV, Gracen said some nasty things about Clinton, but that now that he is a laughing stock, she is no longer afraid of him: Excerpt.. "I think Clinton is a very dangerous, manipulative man and I've had to be very careful," she says. "There was a lot of pressure on my family and friends, people were being staked out. I was a little bit afraid for my own safety at one point. It's just not an area where you're safe." She pauses, then says, "I would never have said what I just told you a month ago." Message 5785652 I read the original article, the link for which no longer works: (http://www.canoe.ca/Television/sep17_gracen.html) The television station deleted the article from their archives, as they apparently customarily do. Now the same story is surfacing in the New York Post, supposedly: FORMER MISS AMERICA NOW SAYS CLINTONISTAS WAGED CAMPAIGN OF TERROR Elizabeth Ward Gracen, star of a new TV show and former Miss America, now claims that Clintonistas waged a campaign of terror that scared the hell out of her. Gracen, in Toronto, gives an exclusive interview to NEW YORK OST columnist Steve Dunleavy for Sunday editions, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. "I spent a small fortune hiring investigators to investigate the investigators of the White House who I honestly believe were chasing me to head off my story," Gracen tells Dunleavy. Gracen previously revealed how she had a sex fling with Gov. Bill Clinton in 1983. "I really should not be saying these things," a tearful Gracen tells the POST, in an interview that has caught the eye of the White House -- even before publication For the first time -- Gracen describes how she was terrorized during the discovery period in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case and later during the Ken Starr investigations. "Yes, I was physically scared," says Gracen. "We are talking about the presidency. There were always veiled threats [made against me]." "I did nothing wrong except one stupid night a long time ago. But now this last year has become very frightening." Gracen describes a hotel room that was ransacked while she was hiding out in St. Martin. "The gentleman looking after my room said he saw two men in suits enter the place and one man in a suit waiting outside." But Gracen said nothing was stolen! "They were looking for tapes that did not exist." Gracen offers no further details on the hotel episode. "Then there were the telephone calls," she explains. "To me, to my parents. I was in an undisclosed location but the calls found me. "It was pretty much the same kind of call. Get out of town before I get hit with a subpoena... between the calls telling me to get out of town for my own good and the calls talking about smear tactics, I got scared." Gracen does not reveal who made the threat calls. Developing... [MORE DETAILS SATURDAY AND SUNDAY NIGHT ON FOX NEWS CHANNEL'S 'DRUDGE' // 9:00 PM ET/6:00 PM PT] The above text is from the DrudgeReport. The link below is their permanent link, they change their stories daily: drudgereport.com More fun links: Got Milk? Advertisement alteration for Clinton situation: apps2.vantagenet.com Fun movie web site: members.xoom.com Clinton jokes: Subject 22911 Altered lyrics to songs, recently about Clinton: Subject 18777 -- Carl

To: Dwight E. Karlsen who wrote (7081)	9/26/1998 8:36:00 PM
From: dougjn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13994

I tremble at the possibilities. The moral decay is palpable. The downward slide just barely, just possibly, reversible if we take vigorous, no righteously extreme action RIGHT NOW. This great nation, this nation of laws, stands at the precipice of utter lawlessness. The apocalypse looms. The moral decay of Kennedy, which we narrowly escaped at the time and lead, no doubt to the horrors of the later sixties, and seventies, has now skipped a generation and infected, ever so deeply, William Jefferson Clinton. No wonder the blacks, paid off as they were by the supposedly uplifting civil rights political payoff racket of Kennedy and his almost equally philandering successor, Johnson, are now solidly behind Clinton! Can't we all see a connection here. Uplift of civil rights indeed!!! When it leads to THIS sort of moral rot that we see in the OVAL OFFICE? And is it a mere coincidence that Dr. Martin Leuther King was himself a documented philanderer? By no lesser an icon and defender of upright and uptight, moral rectitude than The Director, Jay Edgar Hoover, himself?? I think the facts are clear. Doug