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To: Grainne who wrote (25049)	9/28/1998 1:34:00 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Christine, <<one of the core beliefs of New Agers everywhere is that there are essentially two groups of people on earth--them and the "Old Agers" who want to maintain the status quo and destroy the earth.>> I guess I know why I'm not a new ager. What a stupid, despicable, notion (I do hope you aren't one). Brings us right back to the old idea of "we know what's wrong and what needs to be done, and anyone who doesn't agree is wrong and not worth listening to". I don't see that as one word different from Emile's ravings. <<if everyone who believes channels their positive energy, darkness can be overcome, and the New Age will prevail.>> And if they channel their energy through one individual, that individual will inevitably succumb to the temptations that go with power, and the result will be entirely old age. <<a planet full of fair opportunities, where ending misery and preserving the environment are very important considerations, and all religious belief systems are respected and there is a movement to produce harmony between them, is a vision I find very positive.>> What bothers me is the means by which this vision is to be attained: follow ME, believe in ME. Why should we believe that this man is doing or has ever done anything to back up his words? Has anyone ever heard of him except through this Creme person? OK, he says he wants good things. Any American politician can say as much, and you already know what I think of them. There's some mighty big talk on that site, and not much hard stuff behind it. A warning sign, I'd say. I don't really worry about Maitreya's movement, as I doubt it will ever go beyond the fringe. But I do think in principle that any movement that claims to be able to achieve positive goals through the power of belief is destructive to the extent that it diverts people from the things that they can and should be doing. Why should I go out and fight through the nastiness of real-world politics to protect the environment? I'll just believe in Maitreya - and send the occasional fat check for the maintenance of Ben's web page - and he'll make everything ok. Nice words, no substance. Crap, in other words, if you'll forgive the expression. Just my humble (well, sort of) opinion. Steve

To: Grainne who wrote (25049)	9/28/1998 6:48:00 AM
From: Sam Ferguson	Respond to of 108807

There are many reasons other than morals that swells the churches on Sunday. Tradition teaches all good people attend to worship God. Tis a shame they are misled by false teaching of the subject. Tis a shame morals are preached and not exampled. Tis a shame so many go for other reasons. I love people and discussion groups. I love group singing. I love the people who attend church to try to find a closeness with God. I despise to hear the lie that we are sinners and going to hell unless we believe in Jesus. That is a lie more harmful to humanity than Clinton's biggies. I despise the idea of living this life with such inequalities because the more I suffer now the better chance I will have after death. I despise seeing the grandeur of church property and preachers cadillacs and asking for the widows mite or tithes. I despise the tax-free status of churches forcing non-believers to support them with government services. I could go on forever about the negativity of church and how it should be teaching true religion. Most informed people who cannot swallow this teaching tend to discard religion and toss out the baby with the bath water.