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To: SOROS who wrote (20941)	10/3/1998 8:38:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Modern or pseudo-Israel versus the biblical Israel of the Bible. Pat Robertson, in an article under the headline, "I Made a Vow to God",(10) stated: "During that Six-Day War [June 1967]...the Jewish forces...recaptured the Old City of East Jerusalem, for the first time since Nebucanezzar [sic] had invaded Israel (or Judah) at 586 B.C. (10) The March 1994 issue of "Christian American", a publication of his Christian Coalition organization, p.16. Incidentally, he should check his history more carefully. Jerusalem was restored under Nehemiah & later the Maccabees, both events subsequent to Nebuchadnezzar. It was finally destroyed by Rome in A.D. 70. "Students of Bible prophecy know the words of Jesus Christ that are expressed in the twenty-first chapter of Luke's Gospel, where Jesus said that Jerusalem would be 'trodden under foot of the Gentiles' until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Christian Bible scholars have looked for centuries for that fulfillment, and in June of 1967 it took place literally." Come on, Pat, Give us a break! You hide-bound dispensationalists are like the liberals - you think your views are chiseled in stone. Let's look at the literal translation from the Greek: "...Jerusalem shall be trodden down by [the] nations until [the] times of [the] nations be fulfilled." (Luke 21 :24b) Dispensationalists say that these words of Jesus predicted the return of Israel to the land after the time of the "Gentiles" had run its course, and they say that 1948, when the Jews declared their sovereign state, was the regathering. Robertson says that the capture of "the Old City of East Jerusalem...in June of 1967..." literally fulfilled Jesus' prophecy. But a careful reading shows that the passage says nothing about a restoration of Israel only that Jerusalem shall be trodden down by nations until the times of nations be fulfilled. Dispensationalists merely ASSUME that the end of the times of the nations calls for the return of Israel, and they ASSUME that the political entity called "Israel" today is the same as the Israel of the Old Testament. Both assumptions are wrong. Actually, verses 25-27 of Luke 21 refer to Jesus' second advent. At the end of the "Gentile" trodding (trodding of the nations) Jesus will return. The orthodox view has been that the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 ushered in a new era (the Christian age - God's promise to Abraham) after which the second advent would occur. Pseudo-Israel has established a false kingdom in Palestine and claims that they are the heirs of Abraham and the sons of God without accepting Jesus Christ. The Holy Word of God makes a different claim. Rom.2 28: For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Gal.3 28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29: And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal.6 13: For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh. 14: But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 15: For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. There are many on this thread who would glory in the flesh of modern pseudo-Judaiam and contradict the Holy Spirit's message in the New Testament. IPet.2 9: But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. The Holy Spirit spoke these words through St. Peter two thousand years ago and gave the new Jewish and gentile Christian a new name and a new nation--the people of God, the new nation of spiritual Israel. For two thousand years this holy nation of Chritendom has been God's people and now psedo-Israel challenges their relationship with God by establishing a pseudo-nation that claims the promises and rights of the sons of Abraham. Emile

To: SOROS who wrote (20941)	10/3/1998 10:21:00 PM
From: DLL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Modern or pseudo-Christians should study their Bible. I do not remember the church being saved out of Egypt, do you? I wonder why the church would have to return to the Lord in the latter days? Deuteronomy 4:30-34 When you are in distress and all these things have come upon you, in the latter days you will return to the LORD your God and listen to His voice. For the LORD your God is a compassionate God; He will not fail you nor destroy you nor forget the covenant with your fathers which He swore to them. Indeed, ask now concerning the former days which were before you, since the day that God created man on the earth, and inquire from one end of the heavens to the other. Has anything been done like this great thing, or has anything been heard like it? Has any people heard the voice of God speaking from the midst of the fire, as you have heard it, and survived? Or has a god tried to go to take for himself a nation from within another nation by trials, by signs and wonders and by war and by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm and by great terrors, as the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes? In Yeshua's love for you - DLL

To: SOROS who wrote (20941)	10/3/1998 10:36:00 PM
From: DLL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Dear SOROS; I am not picking on you my brother just mean to add my two cents to the current deception being presented to you. Isaiah 62:1-7 FOR Zion's sake I will not keep silent, And for Jerusalem's sake I will not keep quiet, Until her righteousness goes forth like brightness, And her salvation like a torch that is burning. The nations will see your righteousness, And all kings your glory; And you will be called by a new name Which the mouth of the LORD will designate. You will also be a crown of beauty in the hand of the LORD, And a royal diadem in the hand of your God. It will no longer be said to you, Forsaken, Nor to your land will it any longer be said, Desolate; But you will be called, My delight is in her, And your land, Married; For the LORD delights in you, And to Him your land will be married. For as a young man marries a virgin, So your sons will marry you; And as the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, So your God will rejoice over you. On your walls, O Jerusalem, I have appointed watchmen; All day and all night they will never keep silent. You who remind the LORD, take no rest for yourselves; And give Him no rest until He establishes And makes Jerusalem a praise in the earth. Do you suppose Jerusalem is a pseudonym for the church? If so when was their land called desolate? I suppose another option could be pride rearing its ugly head once again. Shalom uv'rachah b'Yeshua HaMashiach - Peace and blessings in Messiah Yeshua - DLL