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To: Charles Hughes who wrote (11989)	9/30/1998 5:34:00 PM
From: Mark Finger	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14631

>>As I noted to someone else privately, a FORTRAN programmer in 1967 >>with 3 years experience could make 30K - in 1967 dollars. You do the >>math. I happened to enter college right after that and among other things I learned FORTRAN (I was in engineering at the time). The starting salaries then for chem engineers (always the priciest engineers) out of college was $10K. I do not think anyone was making your $30K or you would have had thousands of engineers stampeding for those jobs. I think someone made a typo on your anecdote. >>There were few schools that had anything like a CS degree then. Most major 4 year schools had CS or equivalent. I was at Kansas State then, and they had a CS department that was turning out 50-100 people per year. In many other schools, it was in the engineering college, and was under the computer engineering department. >>> competition from foreign born programmers, I made the above remark only because of those who want to prevent non-US citizens from working on "our" projects. Whether they are green-cards or temporaries, I simply was lumping all together and simply implying that many are afraid to really work and were trying to limit the competition.