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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Rick Julian who wrote (25117)	10/1/1998 1:32:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<There was no religion, no formal prayer in that ballroom -- there was only love, and in that love God dwelled.> I imagine that the Christians who so tormented us, and their mothers who whispered to us that we were going to burn in hell forever, would have been entirely at home, a blithe part of the circle of love in that room. And also I imagine that if, by coincidence, all the participants in this loving exercise happened to be atheists of a philosophical or meditating bent (atheists can mediate, of course), or just a humanist one, the elevated, beautiful, inspiring feelings that filled the room would still have been felt in full measure. Of course I don't argue that atheists are exempt from cruelty and meanness (though I can't resist mentioning that the last time I saw a statistic on this, there were fewer inmates in the prison system who identify themselves as atheists than there are members of any other "sect," (and this is relative to their representation in the population.) Atheists can be as monstrous as Christians, it is, sadly, so true.

To: Rick Julian who wrote (25117)	10/3/1998 11:13:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

<I believe all of humanity is indictable for this kind of behavior, and I promise you that if Atheists were a majority in some culture somewhere (and they may well be) some other non-atheist group would point an accusatory finger at them--charging them with the same discriminatory behavior you have the Christians performing.> I really disagree with your statement, Rick. First, atheists by definition are people who have gone against the common belief systems in their societies. Almost everyone everywhere in the world believes in some sort of religious magic. So atheists are by nature independent, divergent thinkers. I am not saying that all atheists are wonderful people. But because of their own experience I would bet that they lean strongly towards tolerance of other ideologies, in general. However, they are not hypocrites of the same order that religious people are who spout beliefs about love and peace and practice the opposite in their daily lives. As I've said before, I think Jesus would throw up if he came back and saw what Christians were doing in his name.

To: Rick Julian who wrote (25117)	10/4/1998 10:20:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

"Weren't Christians and Jews alike discriminated against in the atheist Soviet Union?" They were not. Let's set the record straight. Twenty million Christians were the target and victims of the Bolshevik Communist Holocaust. The "Jews" were protected by the Bolshevik Communist who created the Communist Revolution according to Winston Churchill because the Bolshevik Party and the Communist leadership was dominated by "Jews". Winston Churchill said it best after being briefed by British Intelligence: Winston Chruchill had access to the greatest intelligence network in the world during and immediately after the Bolshevik Revolution and concluded in an article in the l920 Sunday Herald that the Communist Revolution was created by Internationalist "Jews". Here are Churchill's own words: A STRUGGLE FOR THE SOUL OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE by the Rt. Hon. Winston Churchill [Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920] "International Jews. There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus, Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krasin or Radek--all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers is astonishing...................... "Protector of the Jews." ..... Wherever General Denikin's authority could reach, protection was always accorded to the Jewish population, and strenuous efforts were made by his officers to prevent reprisals and to punish those guilty of them. So much was this the case that the Petlurist propaganda against General Denikin denounced him as the Protector of the Jews. The Misses Healy, nieces of Mr. Tim Healy, in relating their personal experiences in Kieff, have declared that to their knowledge on more than one occasion officers who committed offences against Jews were reduced to the ranks and sent out of the city to the front.................................... The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has tended more and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with the villainies which are now being perpetrated." Message 5679780 Winston Churchill's insights are worth reading for anyone interested in the true nature of the Communist holocaust against Christians in the Soviet Union. At the time of writing, Churchill had access to the best intelligence network in the world and gurantees that his information was indeed accurate. Accurate historical documents are a powerful force in helping destroy myths and legends about past events. Emile