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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Who, me? who wrote (7005)	10/3/1998 8:14:00 PM
From: dougjn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

The Iran-contra investigation lasted seven years and cost 60 billion dollars and the report was delivered on Friday before the election on Tuesday! The Democrats don't seem to remember any of this, Well, I DO, and keep volunteering my disgust with the drag out of Iran-Contra before anyone else brings it up. I also expressed that disgust to close friends at the time. BTW, I've always thought that the cost of these things is a silly issue. It's a drop in the sea for the Federal budget. Or rather, the cost is relevant primarily to the question of proportionality, and the onslaught that any individual, even the President when forced to defend himself with his own privately paid attorneys (if he wishes to enjoy attorney-client privilege, which is fundament to a good defense). Although that was at root about high foreign policy issues, and the current Starr referral is at root about sex sin in the White House, my reasons for disgust are actually similar. The basic underlying conduct was not clearly illegal. And although extremely distasteful to many or most in the opposing party (and to many people generally), it wasn't really enough to go forward. Instead, in each case, the investigation devolved primarily into a sort of gotcha perjury trap. As many of these investigations have. The charges against Cisneros for lying to the FBI about the fact that he had a mistress for example. (Under Federal statutes, lying to the FBI is generally a crime - which I regard as completely outrageous, but there you are. (Who are they, a neutral and fair tribunal under all circumstances. Balanced by the challenge of opposing counsel? Etc., etc.) Doug

To: Who, me? who wrote (7005)	10/3/1998 9:39:00 PM
From: Les H	Respond to of 67261

Lewinsky confided in counselor about affair with Clinton cnn.com WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, October 3) -- Just after President Bill Clinton won re-election in 1996, Monica Lewinsky, exiled from the White House and trying to get back, was seeing a counselor because of depression and anxiety, according to investigators for Independent Counsel Ken Starr. Licensed Certified Social Worker Kathleen Estep told investigators she met with Lewinsky three times in November 1996, after Lewinsky was referred to her by a doctor at a Virginia weight loss clinic, according to a document released Friday by the House Judiciary Committee. The first of their meetings occurred very near the time of a now famous videotape of Lewinsky greeting Clinton as he worked a rope line during a White House lawn welcoming ceremony after he returned from Little Rock. In the videotape, the president hugs Lewinsky, who was smiling and wearing a beret. Estep, in an interview with Associate Independent Counsel Mike Emmick and an FBI agent, said Lewinsky went into detail about her relationship with Clinton. But she told of one incident even Estep found hard to believe. Estep said Lewinsky told her Clinton once paid a 2 a.m. visit to her apartment, along with Secret Service agents. "Estep recalls thinking Lewinsky may have made this up because the scenario of the President doing that seemed so incredible," the FBI report said. "Other than this one instance, Estep felt Lewinsky was credible and well-grounded." There has been no other testimony or documentation found in any of the investigative data gathered by Starr's office to indicate that Clinton ever went to Lewinsky's apartment. There has been testimony of post-midnight telephone calls. The report said Estep said she found Lewinsky to be "very anxious," which she attributed to "her failed relationships, her fear of relationships not lasting, especially her relationship with Clinton; and her relationship with her father." She said the three sessions were not enough to make a sound diagnosis of Lewinsky, but that she "had a lot of indicators which might lead to a diagnosis of clinical depression," the report said. Estep said she did not take complete notes of the sessions because Lewinsky was worried about too much being written down.