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To: Grainne who wrote (25305)	10/7/1998 10:04:00 AM
From: Craig Richards	Respond to of 108807

A poem, for example, can stand totally on its own, the words carrying the entire piece. A chemistry experiment requires a knowledge base. I disagree. To understand a poem, you not only need to fully understand the words used, but you also need an understanding of the culture or spirit in which the words are written. Many poems have references to Greek Gods, American icons, or some other cultural items that would make no sense to someone without the correct education. IMO, in this way poetry is like chemistry.

To: Grainne who wrote (25305)	10/7/1998 7:19:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

After a gruuuuueling day of options trading, (can you feel my pride?) I got my glass of chardonnay to relax a few minutes before carpools and choir practices, and how nice to find you here! Some might think we argue at Feelings, but what I feel is energy. And it's a lot of fun. Sometimes we make sense, sometimes we don't. But at least we try to communicate. And really, what else do we have? Hope you are well and happy, Piscean Sis, penni

To: Grainne who wrote (25305)	10/7/1998 7:27:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

>There are essentially two ways of looking at children--as vessels to be filled with facts, or as flames where the desire for learning burns brightly, until it is extinguished (sometimes snuffed out by that same vessel overturned). While I prefer the analogy of the flame, both theories can work for liberal arts students. However, the vessel filled with facts is the only one where a child can end up as a scientist. < I think that the choice between two such metaphors is a tad restrictive. I prefer a different metaphor which combines qualities of both the vessel and the flame. Let's say a person's mind (including but not limited to a child's) is a forge or a kiln. Facts are like logs or coals fed in the bottom. These fuel the fire - creativity - which is used to work the ore or clay of everyday life into things useful and/or beautiful. A sound fact base is the fuel - without it there is no flame. The creative process which springs from it is the real motor of achievement - be it a thing of engineering or of poetry. Jmho! I disagree that a poem or painting is worth much without context. This context must come from learning human history! The history of language, of ideas, of art and acts before and during. I remember going through an art museum when I was eight. Buncha walls with a buncha pictures in really ugly frames. It was a chore. Now that I had two semesters of art histoty in college (and before that some rudimentary "regular" history in school which I think was totally necessary to provide some sort of yardstick) I would see these pictures quite differently. Heck, I might even have an insight or two into the aesthetic principles which went into the frames!